[wp-hackers] Quest for Self Pingbacks

Otto otto at ottodestruct.com
Wed Sep 2 12:54:05 UTC 2009 

No, not meta_value.

meta_key = '_pingme'

-Otto



On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Chris Kasten<handy.solo at gmail.com> wrote:
> After pingbacks the meta key must get cleared then, huh?
> SELECT * FROM `wp_postmeta` where meta_value like '%ping%' ORDER BY
> `post_id` DESC
>
> Results in 0 rows found
>
> Curiouser and curiouser.
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Otto <otto at ottodestruct.com> wrote:
>
>> No, the to_ping column only holds manual trackback values you inserted
>> on a post.
>>
>> You should look for a meta_key on the post named "_pingme". That gets
>> set for new posts, and the do_all_pings function processes those posts
>> for links and then does the pingbacks for them.
>>
>> pinged + to_ping = trackbacks.
>> _pingme = pingbacks.
>>
>> -Otto
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Chris Kasten<handy.solo at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > My theme has that which then shows up like this in a "view source":
>> > <link rel="pingback" href="
>> http://www.solo-technology.com/blog/xmlrpc.php"
>> > />
>> >
>> > But... wouldn't you think the DB entries should be there FIRST?
>> >
>> > I hate to keep kicking this same dead & tired horse, but since I never
>> get
>> > values in "pinged" / "to_ping" columns in the Posts table it ain't ever
>> > going to try to ping, right?
>> >
>> > What would stop the self-pingbacks from getting added to those columns in
>> > the DB? Seems like maybe that's my root cause.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Chris Kasten
>> > Solo Technology
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Otto <otto at ottodestruct.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> In your theme, is this line in the header?
>> >>
>> >> <link rel="pingback" href="<?php bloginfo('pingback_url'); ?>" />
>> >>
>> >> Pingbacks need that to work.
>> >>
>> >> -Otto
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Chris Kasten<handy.solo at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> > The patch made no changes in my lack of ability to self-ping.
>> >> >
>> >> > On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 7:31 AM, Chris Kasten <handy.solo at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> I'll give it a shot and report back.
>> >> >> Meanwhile... It alarms me that my self links never get collected and
>> >> added
>> >> >> to the to_ping / pinged columns in the Posts table. Or are they
>> briefly
>> >> >> there and removed when the pingback fails?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 12:05 AM, Peter Westwood <
>> >> >> peter.westwood at ftwr.co.uk> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> Could you try on your test blog with the patch on this ticket
>> applied.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> http://core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/10588
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> This switches the IXR class over to use the WordPress HTTP api
>> instead
>> >> of
>> >> >>> fsockopen for connections it should be more reliable.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Please leave feedback on your sucess/lack there of on the ticket.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> --
>> >> >>> Peter Westwood
>> >> >>> http://peter.westwood.name
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> On 30 Aug 2009, at 03:17, Chris Kasten <handy.solo at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>  Future posts do indeed work (mentioned a couple stanzas below your
>> >> reply
>> >> >>>> ;-)
>> >> >>>> )
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 8:13 PM, Dion Hulse (dd32) <
>> >> wordpress at dd32.id.au
>> >> >>>> >wrote:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>  Is the cron system working?
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> Try a future-publish post, See if that gets published (Thats based
>> on
>> >> >>>>> the
>> >> >>>>> Cron system).
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> On Sun, 30 Aug 2009 12:11:44 +1000, Chris Kasten <
>> >> handy.solo at gmail.com>
>> >> >>>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> On a fresh locally install blog self pingbacks work just fine. I
>> >> guess
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> this
>> >> >>>>>> may be a Dreamhost related issue?What a bummer.
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> I poked around through the access and error logs but didn't see
>> any
>> >> >>>>>> obvious
>> >> >>>>>> errors.
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Chris Kasten <
>> handy.solo at gmail.com
>> >> >
>> >> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> I'm hosted on Dreamhost. As mentioned earlier, self pings were
>> good
>> >> >>>>>> until
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> the beginning of this year (which may coincide with a WP
>> release? I
>> >> >>>>>>> can't
>> >> >>>>>>> recall now).
>> >> >>>>>>> I also tried a pingback from one of my blogs to the other (but
>> both
>> >> on
>> >> >>>>>>> Dreamhost and both in same domain). Same deal, no pingback and
>> >> nothing
>> >> >>>>>>> in
>> >> >>>>>>> the ping fields in the Posts table.
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> I just tested a future post and it worked. What else would you
>> like
>> >> me
>> >> >>>>>>> to
>> >> >>>>>>> try? I get the same results with my blog as I do with a test
>> blog
>> >> (no
>> >> >>>>>>> plugins / default theme).
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> I guess one next step would be to get one going locally (as in
>> not
>> >> on
>> >> >>>>>>> Dreamhost) and see how self pings go there. Anything else I
>> should
>> >> >>>>>>> look
>> >> >>>>>>> at?
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> From your note, it sounds like I can assume that self pings
>> >> _should_
>> >> >>>>>>> still
>> >> >>>>>>> work?
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Peter Westwood <
>> >> >>>>>>> peter.westwood at ftwr.co.uk
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> It sounds like you are suffering from oases which prevent the
>> self
>> >> >>>>>>> pings
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> from working.
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> This is normally due to hosting confug in relation to
>> connections
>> >> >>>>>>>> back
>> >> >>>>>>>> to
>> >> >>>>>>>> your server from your server.
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> Does the built in cron system work for you? For example does
>> >> future
>> >> >>>>>>>> publishing posts work?
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> --
>> >> >>>>>>>> Peter Westwood
>> >> >>>>>>>> http://peter.westwood.name
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> On 29 Aug 2009, at 18:47, Chris Kasten <handy.solo at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> Yes thanks. I realize a lot of people don't like them.  That's
>> why
>> >> >>>>>>>> that
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>  No
>> >> >>>>>>>>> Pings plugin was invented! But I do like 'em and WP used to
>> >> generate
>> >> >>>>>>>>> them.
>> >> >>>>>>>>> Like or dislike, I just wish to confirm that they (self pings)
>> >> are
>> >> >>>>>>>>> indeed
>> >> >>>>>>>>> dropped by WP now. If so, A nudge on how to re-enable them
>> with a
>> >> >>>>>>>>> plugin
>> >> >>>>>>>>> would be really groovy.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> Chris Kasten
>> >> >>>>>>>>> Solo Technology
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 11:19 AM, Rics <
>> ricardo.cezar at gmail.com>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> Personally, I don't like self trackbacks... it's anoying.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>  I prefer to have related posts and use trackback only from
>> other
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> websites.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> ---
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Rics
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> http://www.pensarics.com
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> http://www.meadiciona.com/rics
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Maringá, PR - Brasil
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> 2009/8/29 scribu <scribu at gmail.com>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> That's ironic, since there's a plugin that does the opposite.
>> >> It's
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>  called
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> No
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Self Pings.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> --
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://scribu.net
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