[wp-testers] Re: wp-testers Digest, Vol 9, Issue 41

Tue Nov 22 12:37:47 GMT 2005

Re: Categories.
 I think the idea of having both categories and tags is ideal.
I can have a limited list of categories and my posts can be filed into
particular categories.
 Simultaneously I can tag certain posts based on the information in them.
Thereby I can have many tags but limited categories, causing lesser
confusion to the user and not an ever increasing site structure.
 Just my 2 cents.
 Ajay

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> 1. Cache on IIS (John E. Iverson)
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> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 22:02:21 -0500
> From: "John E. Iverson" <john at jei.afraid.org>
> Subject: [wp-testers] Cache on IIS
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> I seem to be having a problem with the cache.php script trying to create
> a directory on IIS6. It kept failing at line 275 when trying to do a
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> From: "Justin M. Scott" <justin.scott at mizzou.edu>
> Subject: [wp-testers] Posting Page Layout Problems
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> Am I the only one with this problem, perhaps I have a plugin or
> something causing these issues.
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> http://itsjustjustin.com/?p=745
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> I think the picture is pretty self-explanatory, but if you have
> questions... :-)
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> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 23:14:31 -0600
> From: Sean Hayford O'Leary <hayfordoleary at gmail.com>
> Subject: [wp-testers] "Categories"
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> I've been toying with this thought since 1.2, but it seems all the
> more relevant with 1.6/2.0.
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> Categories aren't really categories anymore. Here's the thought: Each
> item fits into ONE category, just as an HTML file might fit into ONE
> folder (taxonomy).
> But in WP (especially with on-the-fly category additions), it's really
> more like tags (folksonomy).
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> Look at Flickr's tags and look at the traditional directory/file
> taxonomy structure. In my opinion WP's categories far better resemble
> tags than taxonomy.
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> Basic point: I feel that, especially with "tag" becoming a more widely
> used term, WP's admin ui should refer to categories as tags.
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> What do you guys think?
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> --
> Sean Hayford O'Leary
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> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 09:46:26 -0000
> From: "Les Bessant" <les at lcb.me.uk>
> Subject: RE: [wp-testers] "Categories"
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> It might make more sense than having categories *and* tags, but personally
> the "traditional"[1] directory/file structure is something I've spent so
> much time with that changing to something more "flexible" or "free-form"
> or
> whatever it is that tags are supposed to be would be a major effort.
>
> But if you're just talking about changing a label, I don't have a
> problem...
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> [1] Is it a sign of old age when you wince when something that's only a
> few
> decades old is "traditional"?
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> [mailto:wp-testers-bounces at lists.automattic.com] On Behalf Of Sean Hayford
> O'Leary
> Sent: 22 November 2005 05:15
> To: WordPress
> Subject: [wp-testers] "Categories"
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> I've been toying with this thought since 1.2, but it seems all the
> more relevant with 1.6/2.0.
>
> Categories aren't really categories anymore. Here's the thought: Each
> item fits into ONE category, just as an HTML file might fit into ONE
> folder (taxonomy).
> But in WP (especially with on-the-fly category additions), it's really
> more like tags (folksonomy).
>
> Look at Flickr's tags and look at the traditional directory/file
> taxonomy structure. In my opinion WP's categories far better resemble
> tags than taxonomy.
>
> Basic point: I feel that, especially with "tag" becoming a more widely
> used term, WP's admin ui should refer to categories as tags.
>
> What do you guys think?
>
> --
> Sean Hayford O'Leary
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 10:48:05 +0000
> From: Podz <podz at tamba2.org.uk>
> Subject: [wp-testers] Images again.
> To: Testers <wp-testers at lists.automattic.com>
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> Upload an image.
> Click on the image, select Thumbnail.
> Drag image to post
>
> Upload another image
> Click on image, select the Page option
> Drag Image to post
>
> Publish
>
> If I click on the title, I see what I expect from 1.5.2 - the full post.
> If I click either image I get taken to a page with just that image, and
> above that is a link back to the single post.
>
> How would I just upload an image. Not a clickable image, not a link,
> just an image ? What I describe above seems .. odd.
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> P.
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> href="http://www.tamba2.net/six/2005/11/22/22/small-black-rose/"
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> <img width="71" height="96" alt="20"
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> <a title="Rose.jpg"
> href="http://www.tamba2.net/six/2005/11/22/22/rosejpg/" rel="attachment"
> id="21">
> <img width="57" height="96" alt="21"
> src="http://www.tamba2.net/six/wp-content/uploads/2005/11/thumb-Rose.jpg"
> /> </a><a title="small black rose"
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> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 10:56:11 +0000
> From: Gregory Wild-Smith <greg at twilightuniverse.com>
> Subject: Re: [wp-testers] "Categories"
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> Only one HTML file per folder? Hardly.
>
> It's a grouping system. You group posts by category. Tags allow you
> finer control over that that doesn't require sub-categories (you can
> have the same tag across totally different categories).
>
> Tags also were intended as a kind of meta information.
>
> If people mis-apply categories or tags, that doesn't mean the system is
> broken. They aren't mutually exclusive either, they can complement each
> other perfectly.
>
> I agree WP is making it easier to mis-apply them though. The comparison
> to Flickr makes sense if you include their sets - the sets are like
> categories. It is just that Flickr uses tags as a primary navigation,
> and sets as a second. WP is the other way around. That makes more sense
> for publishing, where you'll have a broad area you are writing about but
> other smaller details that still warrant some kind of mention.
>
> "I feel that, especially with "tag" becoming a more widely
> used term, WP's admin ui should refer to categories as tags."
>
> That would be a complete an utter mis-labeling. They are two separate
> things.
>
> -- Gregory Wild-Smith
>
>
> Sean Hayford O'Leary wrote:
> > I've been toying with this thought since 1.2, but it seems all the
> > more relevant with 1.6/2.0.
> >
> > Categories aren't really categories anymore. Here's the thought: Each
> > item fits into ONE category, just as an HTML file might fit into ONE
> > folder (taxonomy).
> > But in WP (especially with on-the-fly category additions), it's really
> > more like tags (folksonomy).
> >
> > Look at Flickr's tags and look at the traditional directory/file
> > taxonomy structure. In my opinion WP's categories far better resemble
> > tags than taxonomy.
> >
> > Basic point: I feel that, especially with "tag" becoming a more widely
> > used term, WP's admin ui should refer to categories as tags.
> >
> > What do you guys think?
> >
> > --
> > Sean Hayford O'Leary
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 06:28:44 -0500
> From: Doug Stewart <zamoose at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [wp-testers] Posting Page Layout Problems
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> WP Tiger Admin. Turn it off.
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> On 11/21/05, Justin M. Scott <justin.scott at mizzou.edu> wrote:
> > Am I the only one with this problem, perhaps I have a plugin or
> > something causing these issues.
> >
> > http://itsjustjustin.com/?p=745
> >
> > I think the picture is pretty self-explanatory, but if you have
> > questions... :-)
> >
> > -justin
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