[wp-ui] Why doesn't the UI group use a forum?

Fri Jun 4 04:27:46 UTC 2010

It is kinda funny that the UI Group communicates through a mailing list
chain. Why not a proper forum?

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 7:12 PM, <wp-ui-request at lists.automattic.com> wrote:

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> From: Michael Kuhlmann <sactown.mike at gmail.com>
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> Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2010 16:05:31 -0700
> Subject: Re: [wp-ui] Admin theme-ing
>  The obvious "benefit" of being able to theme the admin area is to carry
> over the branding from the front-end to the back-end. John already mentioned
> two good ways of cleaning it up and this plugin
> http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/white-label-cms/ would certainly take
> care of the rest. I don't think the option to theme the admin area is the
> best one either, even though I *love* to theme virtually anything I can get
> my hands on -- some things are better left alone to retain simplicity.
>
> Here's just one scenario of how this could go south very quickly: A
> designer decides to fully rebrand, redesign the backend and revert to a
> horizontal menu a la WP 2.0, at her client's request. She decides to bail
> the site/maintenance after a year or two and the menu is all out of whack,
> come the next upgrade. Now, the client has a funky menu and it's all
> WordPress' fault. The client could just get rid of the custom admin theme
> altogether, but that would mean having to re-learn to the navigation. Again,
> it's all WordPress' fault. Well, not really... but you get what I mean. This
> is typically how a CMS gets pounded on.
>
> Mike
>
> On 6/3/2010 3:08 PM, Toon Van de Putte wrote:
>
> Is all of this well documented? The Screen Options I know about, but the
> custom fields thing is new to me. But my main argument was *against* admin
> themes. I don't see the point, frankly, besides some superficial cosmetic
> stuff.
>
> On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:54 PM, John O'Nolan <john.wp at onolan.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi Toon,
>> You can already hide many panels via the Screen Options tab, and custom
>> fields are fairly easy to customise now via the functions.php file of a
>> theme, no need for a plugin!
>>
>>  Hope that helps
>>
>>  John
>>
>>
>>
>>  On 3 Jun 2010, at 22:36, Toon Van de Putte wrote:
>>
>> I don't think that is a good idea. I think it's one of those features that
>> sets Wordpress apart from, say, Drupal and that makes Wordpress much more
>> usable out-of-the-box.
>> The standardized look 'n' feel of the admin is one of the reasons I really
>> like Wordpress. It just works, and it makes sense that a well-designed admin
>> interface doesn't need themes.
>> What I would like is the ability to show/hide certain panels, have more
>> flexibility in how custom fields are integrated (without resorting to a
>> plugin), etc. But the basic layout and functionality of the admin does not
>> need theming, imho.
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:02 PM, Luke Gedeon <luke.gedeon at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Call me crazy, but it seems like the easiest way to solve the look and
>>> feel issues with the admin is to make it as easy to theme the admin as it is
>>> to theme the site.
>>>
>>> Give designers a while and see what ideas happen. We can then take the
>>> best ideas and build them into the default theme.
>>>
>>> To encourage theme development we need to:
>>> 1. Set-up an admin theme repository.
>>> 2. Add a page inside admin to choose and install new admin themes.
>>> 3. Make admin themes editable in theme editor tool.
>>> 4. Allow users to select admin themes separate from site themes but allow
>>> theme designers to ship matching/complementary themes.
>>>
>>> I have got to be missing something????
>>>
>>> -------------------------------------------
>>> Luke Gedeon
>>> http://luke.gedeon.name
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> From: "andré renaut" <andre.renaut at gmail.com>
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> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 01:12:27 +0200
> Subject: Re: [wp-ui] Admin theme-ing
> Theming admin !!!???
>
> under admin, plugins pages stick and rely on the UI admin (html &css).
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> From: Jane Wells <jane at automattic.com>
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> Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2010 16:13:58 -0700
> Subject: Re: [wp-ui] Admin theme-ing
> Admin theming remains plugin territory for the time being.
> Jane
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> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 01:16:22 +0200
> Subject: Re: [wp-ui] wp-ui Digest, Vol 6, Issue 6
> @John
>
> i think Toon is speaking about Roles and Capabilities.
> As wp-cron, those tools exist in core but cannot be administrated thru core
> admin.
>
>
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> From: "andré renaut" <andre.renaut at gmail.com>
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> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 01:17:31 +0200
> Subject: Re: [wp-ui] Admin theme-ing
> @John
>
> i think Toon is speaking about Roles and Capabilities.
> As wp-cron, those tools exist in core but cannot be administrated thru core
> admin.
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Jeremy Clarke <jer at simianuprising.com>
> To: wp-ui at lists.automattic.com
> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 19:33:02 -0400
> Subject: Re: [wp-ui] Admin theme-ing
> On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 5:36 PM, Toon Van de Putte <toon at automaton.be>
> wrote:
> >
> > I don't think that is a good idea. I think it's one of those features
> that sets Wordpress apart from, say, Drupal and that makes Wordpress much
> more usable out-of-the-box.
>
> I think this is a very salient point. Drupals integration between
> front and backend was one of the biggest UI disasters it had to suffer
> through. In recent versions they have moved away from that model and
> towards standardized backend designs, to the great benefit of their
> users.
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 5:18 PM, John O'Nolan <john.wp at onolan.org> wrote:
> > contributions once we start to spec out the 3.1 features in the UI Group.
>
> Isn't this the ui *group*?
>
> Your link is to the UI blog, a terrible place to have discussions. Yes
> there are comments but there is no way to be notified of new comments
> or replies by email. For the authors of posts it works fine, you must
> get emails when people comment, but there is no way to make sure that
> people above your know you replied to them, or that you have a chance
> to reply to people who make comments on your comments.
>
> I think if we want to have discussions this is the appropriate place,
> and any decision that is 'discussed' on the blog that is of any
> importance should be discussed here as well.
>
> Obviously I'd support subscribe-to-comments or Intense Debate being
> installed on the blog as well.
>
> --
> Jeremy Clarke
> Code and Design | globalvoicesonline.org
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: John O'Nolan <john.wp at onolan.org>
> To: jer at simianuprising.com, wp-ui at lists.automattic.com
> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 01:12:02 +0100
> Subject: Re: [wp-ui] Admin theme-ing
> The UI Group lives on on the UI Blog, yes it has some limitations - but
> those are being worked on. We've discussed comment notifications and that's
> absolutely something we'd like to have soon.
>
> As of right now, the best place for discussion (as is the case with the
> core developers) is during the weekly meetings, details of which can be
> found on the UI Blog, which is why I linked to it.
>
> John
>
>
>
>
> On 4 Jun 2010, at 00:33, Jeremy Clarke wrote:
>
>  On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 5:36 PM, Toon Van de Putte <toon at automaton.be>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I don't think that is a good idea. I think it's one of those features
>>> that sets Wordpress apart from, say, Drupal and that makes Wordpress much
>>> more usable out-of-the-box.
>>>
>>
>> I think this is a very salient point. Drupals integration between
>> front and backend was one of the biggest UI disasters it had to suffer
>> through. In recent versions they have moved away from that model and
>> towards standardized backend designs, to the great benefit of their
>> users.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 5:18 PM, John O'Nolan <john.wp at onolan.org> wrote:
>>
>>> contributions once we start to spec out the 3.1 features in the UI Group.
>>>
>>
>> Isn't this the ui *group*?
>>
>> Your link is to the UI blog, a terrible place to have discussions. Yes
>> there are comments but there is no way to be notified of new comments
>> or replies by email. For the authors of posts it works fine, you must
>> get emails when people comment, but there is no way to make sure that
>> people above your know you replied to them, or that you have a chance
>> to reply to people who make comments on your comments.
>>
>> I think if we want to have discussions this is the appropriate place,
>> and any decision that is 'discussed' on the blog that is of any
>> importance should be discussed here as well.
>>
>> Obviously I'd support subscribe-to-comments or Intense Debate being
>> installed on the blog as well.
>>
>> --
>> Jeremy Clarke
>> Code and Design | globalvoicesonline.org
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