[wp-hackers] WordPress Maturity (was)Re: hate

SCOTT TAYLOR scott.c.taylor at mac.com
Tue Apr 30 17:26:54 UTC 2013

"database-hack at deployment problem"

Is there a Trac ticket and patch you could champion? Did you bring it up at any dev chat for the 3.6 cycle?

On Apr 30, 2013, at 1:22 PM, Shasta Willson <shastaw at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 10:06 AM, SCOTT TAYLOR <scott.c.taylor at mac.com>wrote:
>> I really, really dislike when people use the "wp-hackers" mailing list to
>> complain about WordPress but offer no solutions for fixing it. Here's why:
>> ...
>> "I haven't figured out how to do X, so WP sucks"
>> I think there are many scenarios where the developer is the problem, not
>> WP. If you are running a website at scale and you don't know how to handle
>> deployments and migrations and DB migrations, maybe you aren't the right
>> person for the job. Or maybe you need to learn how to do those things,
>> learn more WP internals, and learn how to solve problems. Try the Support
>> forums. I know many people who can do those things, they aren't impossible,
>> and in most cases, aren't even difficult, just takes some elbow grease to
>> learn how.
>> "There is a bug in WP, you guys haven't fixed it, so let's burn the house
>> down"
> And there it is. "Stop talking about the problems! A real developer would
> just solve them."
> We HAVE solved them, or we wouldn't be working in the field. I deploy sites
> that range from small blogs to very large corporate presences regularly.
> Because I have a deep background as a programmer (Java, not PHP) I also get
> called in to fix other people's messes. I'd say those messes run 5:1 due to
> the lack of integrated deployment strategy for WordPress. At this point
> when someone says "my site just stopped working!" it's the first thing I
> look for: is there a slideshow (etc.) pointing at a now-turned-off
> deployment address?
> As for offering solutions, a few months back I watched a fellow propose
> that he personally would work on code to add to core to fix the
> database-hack at deployment problem. He asked only for some assurance that
> the leaders in the community were actually interested enough in including
> such a solution that they'd consider his solution if it was solid. He
> didn't get that. He got explanations for why it wasn't necessary, so I
> presume he didn't proceed.
> In many ways this is a hostile environment if you have anything other than
> pure praise, no matter how carefully you explain your case or how politely
> you put it. Nothing is perfect, but the ability to listen to criticism
> openly is a sign of a mature environment, and absolutely critical to
> improvement.
> - Shasta
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