[wp-hackers] Making WordPress database independent
me at piyushmishra.com
Mon Feb 7 19:09:42 UTC 2011
oh, I dont think I can work my way through the talking with core devs and
contributors and explaining/realizing why or why not to support more dbmses
What I can do is, complete the layer on a fork of wordpress on github with
some help and may be hope for the core devs to pull that in as the work is
already done. I can work on it as a GSoC project and lend a helping hand.
As far as I know, in regex vs rewrite, rewrite wins hands down in
performance, cleaner codes, decoupling. and I dont need numbers/tests to
prove that. now the fact that almost all people use wordpress with MySQL and
the core devs donot feel the need to implement the layer, imho is kind of
mutual. people wont know/use any product for something that the product
doesn't support out of the box / with some simplistic plugin. if they need
another dbms so bad and donot get a simple solution for it, they can simply
switch to another CMS/framework that supports it or if they really love wp,
they'll probably make hacks better than adding db.php(obviously putting them
out of the updates cycle) so this MySQL only trend can go on forever. :(
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 12:21 AM, Scott Kingsley Clark <scott at skcdev.com>wrote:
> Some discussion has been made on the WordPress Core Trac regarding
> supporting other database types, though it appears that the direction
> that WordPress core has taken is against supporting other database
> types comes at the cost of increasing the amount of effort in either
> rewriting functions and / or RegEx-ing your way through the barriers
> that the MySQL only support WordPress currently restricts itself to.
> Yes, many developers have gone through this and built solutions of
> many different types, but it doesn't compare to what real integration
> could bring, or additional provisions within Core for these efforts.
> Any attempt to abstract WordPress beyond MySQL will only waste core
> dev time as they have to then explain why they won't be making any
> changes. I apologize for my own time wasting on that end - I believe
> some sort of page in the Codex or About section of the WP.org should
> compile the full explanation of the reasoning behind the MySQL-only
> support WP core has restricted itself to with some sort of evidence in
> favor of that restriction, offering up additional resources to plugins
> which were developed to support other engines that have been
> recommended by core devs or other respectable devs / firms in the WP
> There's much to be done, calling WP a full blown CMS right now is
> tough, since many people's idea of 'full' can be different. In this
> database discussion, a great question rises yet again as it has over
> the past many years of WP's life.
> Will there be some form of redemption by core as more community
> members speak out in favor of additional support? No one can tell, at
> least not for the very near future. We'll see how the WordPress
> landscape changes over the next few years. For now, your only hope is
> to prove them wrong -- that people want to use these other database
> engines -- with solid proof of why it would be a good addition to core
> and the impact it could have in making WordPress better for more
> people than just MySQL alone. Think of your task as being a prosecutor
> in a court case, WordPress is the defendant, and you've got to
> persuade the jury (Core Devs and major contributors) to see the future
> and what they're doing by limiting growth.
> That's my two dollars anyways.. I've been from the bottom to top of
> the Core Dev ladder, the answer is the same all around -- They simply
> don't have this as a priority or even in sights for the next few years
> and for it to happen we will need to orchestrate this as a community
> effort to prove to them that it is a priority. I know right now, it
> seems like we're protesting about the war in Vietnam (US History), but
> we can only make a difference if it's truly what the community wants
> and is the 'right' choice to expand the use of WordPress and it's
> ability to perform to meet the needs of everyone who it can benefit.
> Good luck until then, just say "I think I can", sorry for the video -
> I had to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoVRV_xGEqc
> On Feb 7, 11:23 am, Piyush Mishra <m... at piyushmishra.com> wrote:
> > May be using DAOs will help. we can push all functionality to the DAO of
> > respective db layer and simple inbuilt functions from the specific vendor
> > can be used where needed and in other databases, the same features can be
> > implemented at the code level??
> > Just an idea yet. but it seems good to me.
> > 1 factory, 1 PDO or similar base class and few interfaces and their mysql
> > implementation will get us to where we currently stand with MySQL, we
> > not actually need whole ORMs etc
> > On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 10:33 PM, Brian Layman <
> wp-hack... at thecodecave.com>wrote:
> > > On 2/7/2011 11:49 AM, Piyush Mishra wrote:
> > >> With NoSQL picking up craze, postgre gaining popularity and WordPress
> > >> moving
> > >> towards being a complete CMS, its a move that we should make.
> > >> Propel might be a good option, may be DAOs.
> > >> But this option is good for progress of the CMS as a whole.
> > >> I bet people will start discovering new areas for improvement within
> > >> core as they implement database abstraction.
> > > Will they? Admittedly anything that causes people to look at code
> > > can do that, but would it introduce any major improvements? Remember -
> > > feature that isn't supported in MySQL and all our "supported" database
> > > engines would be excluded from use.. Heck, we can't even generically
> > > features that require MySQL 5.0 yet (assuming 3.1 hasn't dropped before
> > > hit send).
> > > I'm really curious to see how having access to stored procedures,
> > > views will affect the WordPress Core. I wonder where that rabbit trail
> > > lead us.
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