[wp-hackers] comments should be a plugin

Ptah Dunbar pt at ptahd.com
Sun Mar 7 02:52:05 UTC 2010

Hey Scott, let's clarify my statement.

Looking at the facts, WP is currently used by millions of users. Millions. And if you were to compare the ratio of users to developers, users would definitely win by a lane slide. My statement comes from recognizing this fact, not because I'm stuck to an "a la carte" mindset. I'm a developer just like you who would _love_ if WP immediately got rid of all the "developer considered" bloat and turn it into a more frameworky CMS that just comes with essential CMS core components and it's current UI.

I did an interview a while ago where one of the question was along the lines of Where would you say WordPress is in terms of it’s Life Cycle?" And I said it's an 18 year old teenager. WP started out as blogging software but is currently transitioning over into a more general purpose CMS. It's got a lot of growing up to do. Version 3.0 is the first version to truly make that big step with custom post types. How long did that take? My point is, you're way ahead of the wp development cycle by assuming something like a canonical comments plugin will see the light of day--anytime soon.

Version 2.9 *just* introduced a new comments meta table to make comments more extendable. You can do things like create a bug reporting system, or Get satisfaction-esque support website if you knew anything about the comments meta table and custom comment types. Don't limit comments to just blogging features. They have all kinds of use case scenarios if your willing to accept the fact that WP _can_ do a lot out of the box.

So again, I'm not being close minded, I'm just looking at the facts. Comments ain't going no where anytime soon.

On Mar 7, 2010, at 3:20 AM, Scott Kingsley Clark wrote:

> There's an example of a "won't happen" / "not necessary" attitude. I
> think many people are tied to the idea of core features being part of
> core WP. As WP grows up and out of the blogosphere, the community has
> to accept that people want WP to be an "a la carte" type of system.
> Yeah, you'll have plenty of discussions as to which features should be
> core and which should be plugins, but let's not stop the progress by
> flat out saying "no" to anything that deserves it's proper discussion.
> -Scott
> On Mar 6, 8:01 pm, Ptah Dunbar <p... at ptahd.com> wrote:
>>>> So: "comments is plugin material".
>> Wow. You guys are taken this CMS abstraction too far. Comments aren't going anywhere.
>> On Mar 7, 2010, at 2:55 AM, Mike Schinkel wrote:
>>> On Mar 6, 2010, at 8:40 PM, 24/7 wrote:
>>>> So: "comments is plugin material".
>>> Good point. Sounds like "Canonical Plugin Material", actually.
>>> -Mike
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