[wp-hackers] wp-hackers Digest, Vol 66, Issue 33

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Export errors (3.0 / multisite) (Bob Uehlein)
   2. Re: Putting the P in WordPress (John Bloch)
   3. Re: Putting the P in WordPress (Doug Stewart)
   4. Putting the H in WordPress-Hackers (Dougal Campbell)
   5. Re: Putting the H in WordPress-Hackers (Gavin Pearce)
   6. Re: Putting the P in WordPress (Gavin Pearce)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2010 11:24:46 -0400
From: Bob Uehlein <uehlein at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [wp-hackers] Export errors (3.0 / multisite)
To: wp-hackers at lists.automattic.com
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I was getting this error this weekend. I went into trac and got the 
latest export.php and replaced my current with that one. Worked fine then.



On 7/7/10 11:18 AM, Christopher Ross wrote:
> <br />
> <b>Warning</b>:  Illegal offset type in<b>/nfs/c04/h02/mnt/79950/domains/webtest.christopherross.ca/html/wp-includes/taxonomy.php</b>  on line<b>176</b><br />
> <br />
> <b>Warning</b>:  Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /nfs/c04/h02/mnt/79950/domains/webtest.christopherross.ca/html/wp-includes/taxonomy.php:176) in<b>/nfs/c04/h02/mnt/79950/domains/webtest.christopherross.ca/html/wp-admin/includes/export.php</b>  on line<b>44</b><br />
> <br />
> <b>Warning</b>:  Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /nfs/c04/h02/mnt/79950/domains/webtest.christopherross.ca/html/wp-includes/taxonomy.php:176) in<b>/nfs/c04/h02/mnt/79950/domains/webtest.christopherross.ca/html/wp-admin/includes/export.php</b>  on line<b>45</b><br />
> <br />
> <b>Warning</b>:  Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /nfs/c04/h02/mnt/79950/domains/webtest.christopherross.ca/html/wp-includes/taxonomy.php:176) in<b>/nfs/c04/h02/mnt/79950/domains/webtest.christopherross.ca/html/wp-admin/includes/export.php</b>  on line<b>46</b><br />
> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
> <!-- This is a WordPress eXtended RSS file generated by WordPress as an export of your blog. -->
> <!-- It contains information about your blog's posts, comments, and categories. -->
> <!-- You may use this file to transfer that content from one site to another. -->
> <!-- This file is not intended to serve as a complete backup of your blog. -->
>
>
> This is the first time I've tried doing an export since the 3.0 update, is anybody else seeing an error like this or is it specific to my configuration?
>
> c.
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 11:27:47 -0400
From: John Bloch <jbloch at olympianetworks.com>
Subject: Re: [wp-hackers] Putting the P in WordPress
To: wp-hackers at lists.automattic.com
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Yes it's a community. Like any other community, there are leaders and prominent figures in that community. Take Andrew Nacin, for example. Hardly anybody knew his name a year ago. And now he's a core contributor, because he earned that respect. Nobody's going to stop you from joining the community and becoming a prominent voice, but nobody will listen to someone who contributes nothing productive. I'm not saying you have nothing to contribute, but trashing Matt and the rest of the devs for their contributions doesn't help, especially if you didn't participate in that discussion to begin with.

Changing Wordpress to WordPress is not something to get up in arms about. I know people that replace lists of offensive words with four asterisks. Can they now not use WordPress because they're violating the written contents of those writers? That seems like a bigger violation of 'written content' than this, doesn't it?

On Jul 7, 2010, at 11:13 AM, Gavin Pearce wrote:

>> WordPress isn't Matt's company, it's the community's project.
> 
> Sure doesn't seem that way here ...
> 
>> If you wanted to influence the direction of core, you should
> contribute and earn the respect that will get you that influence.
> 
> I thought you just said this was a community driven project, not one
> directed by a small number of core people with 'influence'?
> 
>> WordPress also changes regular quotes to curly quotes with a filter,
> and -- to en-dash and --- to em-dash and ... to elipses?! OH THE
> INHUMANITY!!!
> 
> That's not written content as such though - which is the issue here.
> (Though I must admit to having that switched off also).
> 
> Gav
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wp-hackers-bounces at lists.automattic.com
> [mailto:wp-hackers-bounces at lists.automattic.com] On Behalf Of John Bloch
> Sent: 07 July 2010 16:05
> To: wp-hackers at lists.automattic.com
> Subject: Re: [wp-hackers] Putting the P in WordPress
> 
> WordPress isn't Matt's company, it's the community's project. This
> addition to core was discussed in dev chats just like every other
> addition in WordPress. Like Matt said, WordPress development is a
> meritocracy. If you wanted to influence the direction of core, you
> should contribute and earn the respect that will get you that influence.
> I've been watching this thread for the last two days and think this is
> the silliest argument I've ever seen. If you don't like the filter,
> remove it! It's one line of code. Did you know that WordPress also
> changes regular quotes to curly quotes with a filter, and -- to en-dash
> and --- to em-dash and ... to elipses?! OH THE INHUMANITY!!!
> 
> On Jul 7, 2010, at 10:52 AM, Thomas Belknap wrote:
> 
>> Wait, Matt, holy crap.
>> 
>> You've spent the better part of two days fueling a debate that would
> have
>> been long-dead without you engaging and then you bemoan the civility
> and
>> quality of this list's posting? I keep having to throw away emails
> that
>> contribute *absolutely nothing but a P* to WordPress or my life, but
> you
>> claim the moral high ground?
>> 
>> Its your company, I suppose.
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 11:28:49 -0400
From: Doug Stewart <zamoose at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [wp-hackers] Putting the P in WordPress
To: wp-hackers at lists.automattic.com
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On 7/7/10, Matt Mullenweg <m at mullenweg.com> wrote:
> On 7/7/2010 9:11 AM, Stephen Rider wrote:
>> I laughed when Matt said we were approaching Godwin's Law. :-)  Some of
>> the rhetoric is getting a bit overwrought, but for the most part I think
>> it's remained pretty civil.
>
> We are -- someone is comparing the capitalization of the letter P with
> removing the sacred freedoms every WordPress user is given by the GPL.
> If you're someone who is frequently personally attacked, lied about,
> having cartoons drawn about you, etc for trying to protect that freedom
> it pushes it too far. There is a huge magnitude of difference.
>

You're doing it wrong. Not a single soul brought out a comparison to
Hitler or Nazis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwins_Law

"As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison
involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1."

You self-Godwinned, thus I invoke Quirk's Exception.

> The rest of your message is a bit long to respond to individually, but
> in summary:
>
> Core development is a meritocracy. People pay their dues by working on
> *hard* issues that matter to end-users, like widgets, upgrades, speed
> and performance, and then they're then trusted with increasing rights
> and responsibilities.
>
> The more attention paid to a trivial issue by a new contributor, hence
> the more distraction from the core people on the things that matter,
> that new contributor is spending their default community currency on
> something that is generating no returns.
>

I thought "we" were taking a release cycle off to work on community
issues. What better time than when the core devs have no pressing code
need?


> If you want to map the decline of this mailing list, to the point it
> might as well be shut down, look at the number of words generated by
> people who don't contribute to core over time, or over "bikeshed" issues
> that don't really matter. ( http://bikeshed.com/ ) (And also the
> atrocious email etiquette and quoting style that's taken over here.)
>

So then shutter Hackers. If it's really the wretched hive of scum and
villainy that folks make it out to be, nuke it from orbit.

> Eventually, the good people unsubscribe entirely, or go silent for
> months/years at a time. Why? Because they didn't get involved with
> WordPress because they love arguing on mailing lists. I'm involved
> because I love making it easy for people to build beautiful dynamic
> websites. I'm involved because I think the more people publishing, the
> better place the world will be. I'm involved because I love figuring out
> elegant code or architecture solutions to tricky problems or UI challenges.
>

Your suggestion that those who disagree with you DON'T value those
things truly rankles.  If you're trying to engender reasoned debate
and healthy contributions, publicly impugning others' motives is a
lousy way to start.


-- 
-Doug
@zamoose
http://literalbarrage.org/blog/


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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2010 11:31:13 -0400
From: Dougal Campbell <dougal at gunters.org>
Subject: [wp-hackers] Putting the H in WordPress-Hackers
To: wp-hackers at lists.automattic.com
Message-ID: <4C349DC1.4010205 at gunters.org>
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Can we be done with the 'P' discussion now? Please?

I would make an educated guess that 99% of WordPress users in the world 
honestly don't give a flying flip whether or not the software 
automatically puts the proper case on the word "WordPress". And probably 
99% of those users will never write "WordPress" in a post anyways. And 
of those users, 99% won't notice, and the ones who do will just shrug 
and move on with their lives.

If it still bugs you that much, keep posting bugs and comments on Trac. 
And in the meantime, add the _one line of code_ to your sites that will 
disable  it.

Egads. Can we please have a 'wordpress-politics' mailing list for this 
noise?

-- 
Dougal Campbell <dougal at gunters.org>
http://dougal.gunters.org/
http://twitter.com/dougal
http://twitual.com/



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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 16:38:18 +0100
From: "Gavin Pearce" <Gavin.Pearce at 3seven9.com>
Subject: Re: [wp-hackers] Putting the H in WordPress-Hackers
To: <wp-hackers at lists.automattic.com>
Message-ID:
    <CD47955B7E065D48AB5CF226C2ED75C02E2FDF at tbs-sbs01.TBS.local>
Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="US-ASCII"

_Dougal Campbell_
> I would make an educated guess that 99% of WordPress users in the
world 
> honestly don't give a flying flip whether or not the software 
> automatically puts the proper case on the word "WordPress".

You said it - lets remove the function then and be done with this!  :)

_John Bloch_
> I know people that replace lists of offensive words with four
asterisks. 
> Can they now not use WordPress because they're violating the written
contents of those writers?

I don't see this being core code of WordPress or any other popular
projects so not sure what you're getting at here?

Gav



-----Original Message-----
From: wp-hackers-bounces at lists.automattic.com
[mailto:wp-hackers-bounces at lists.automattic.com] On Behalf Of Dougal
Campbell
Sent: 07 July 2010 16:31
To: wp-hackers at lists.automattic.com
Subject: [wp-hackers] Putting the H in WordPress-Hackers

Can we be done with the 'P' discussion now? Please?

I would make an educated guess that 99% of WordPress users in the world 
honestly don't give a flying flip whether or not the software 
automatically puts the proper case on the word "WordPress". And probably

99% of those users will never write "WordPress" in a post anyways. And 
of those users, 99% won't notice, and the ones who do will just shrug 
and move on with their lives.

If it still bugs you that much, keep posting bugs and comments on Trac. 
And in the meantime, add the _one line of code_ to your sites that will 
disable  it.

Egads. Can we please have a 'wordpress-politics' mailing list for this 
noise?

-- 
Dougal Campbell <dougal at gunters.org>
http://dougal.gunters.org/
http://twitter.com/dougal
http://twitual.com/

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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 16:39:02 +0100
From: "Gavin Pearce" <Gavin.Pearce at 3seven9.com>
Subject: Re: [wp-hackers] Putting the P in WordPress
To: <wp-hackers at lists.automattic.com>
Message-ID:
    <CD47955B7E065D48AB5CF226C2ED75C02E2FE0 at tbs-sbs01.TBS.local>
Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="US-ASCII"

> If you're unlucky they find another pursuit that's more fun and has
less politics.

Nice-to-have functions such as the one in this discussion should be put
to the community - *not* at the whim of a couple of core devs. 

We are given freedoms under GPL - yes of course we are - that doesn't
mean we want to start hacking at core code and having custom WordPress
installs - you can't use that as an excuse for poor core code commits.

Maybe we should have a vote.

G

-----Original Message-----
From: wp-hackers-bounces at lists.automattic.com
[mailto:wp-hackers-bounces at lists.automattic.com] On Behalf Of Matt
Mullenweg
Sent: 07 July 2010 15:44
To: wp-hackers at lists.automattic.com
Subject: Re: [wp-hackers] Putting the P in WordPress

On 7/7/2010 9:11 AM, Stephen Rider wrote:
> I laughed when Matt said we were approaching Godwin's Law. :-)  Some
of the rhetoric is getting a bit overwrought, but for the most part I
think it's remained pretty civil.

We are -- someone is comparing the capitalization of the letter P with 
removing the sacred freedoms every WordPress user is given by the GPL. 
If you're someone who is frequently personally attacked, lied about, 
having cartoons drawn about you, etc for trying to protect that freedom 
it pushes it too far. There is a huge magnitude of difference.

The rest of your message is a bit long to respond to individually, but 
in summary:

Core development is a meritocracy. People pay their dues by working on 
*hard* issues that matter to end-users, like widgets, upgrades, speed 
and performance, and then they're then trusted with increasing rights 
and responsibilities.

The more attention paid to a trivial issue by a new contributor, hence 
the more distraction from the core people on the things that matter, 
that new contributor is spending their default community currency on 
something that is generating no returns.

If you want to map the decline of this mailing list, to the point it 
might as well be shut down, look at the number of words generated by 
people who don't contribute to core over time, or over "bikeshed" issues

that don't really matter. ( http://bikeshed.com/ ) (And also the 
atrocious email etiquette and quoting style that's taken over here.)

Eventually, the good people unsubscribe entirely, or go silent for 
months/years at a time. Why? Because they didn't get involved with 
WordPress because they love arguing on mailing lists. I'm involved 
because I love making it easy for people to build beautiful dynamic 
websites. I'm involved because I think the more people publishing, the 
better place the world will be. I'm involved because I love figuring out

elegant code or architecture solutions to tricky problems or UI
challenges.

So you withdraw. This thread would have been much much shorter, and 
probably better for everyone's perception, if I hadn't participated at
all.

If you're lucky, the people that withdraw from forums and mailing lists 
just focus on code. If you're unlucky they find another pursuit that's 
more fun and has less politics.

-- 
Matt Mullenweg
http://ma.tt | http://wordpress.org | http://automattic.com
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