[wp-hackers] Proposing WP Flavours (various WordPress forks) (Jean-Patrick Smith)
Jean-Patrick Smith
chicagowebdev at gmail.com
Thu Dec 17 23:28:20 UTC 2009
I'd like to see a wordpress fork geared more towards a CMS, with the
friendly backend and file-based templating system.
Extend the widget functionality, making them more like Drupals blocks w/ CCK
and views, and i'd never use Drupal again...
PodsCMS does this, but if you could fork wordpress and make PodsCMS a core
feature, it'd be interesting to see where that went.
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> 2. Re: [ wp-hackers ] wp _ enqueue _ script() not working while
> in the Loop (scribu)
> 3. Re: Settings API: Showing errors if validation fails (Otto)
> 4. Proposing WP Flavours (various WordPress forks) (Callum Macdonald)
> 5. Re: Proposing WP Flavours (various WordPress forks)
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> 6. Re: Proposing WP Flavours (various WordPress forks) (Ken Newman)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 13:46:39 +0100 (CET)
> From: "TobiasBg"<wp-hackers at tobias.baethge.com>
> Subject: Re: [wp-hackers] [ wp-hackers ] wp _ enqueue _ script() not
> working while in the Loop
> To: wp-hackers at lists.automattic.com
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> Hi,
>
> > That's why I use $wp_scripts->do_items(). It makes sure the same script
> > isn't included twice. You just have to make sure you use the same handle
> for
> > both plugins.
>
> Argh, stupid me. Of course it does (and so does its wrapper
> wp_print_scripts, that I prefer to use). I just had a typo in one of the
> handles... Thanks for pointing me to it!
>
> I guess, I'll just leave this alone for today and go out and do some ...
> Christmas Shopping! :-)
>
> Regards,
> Tobias
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 17:03:49 +0200
> From: scribu <scribu at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [wp-hackers] [ wp-hackers ] wp _ enqueue _ script() not
> working while in the Loop
> To: wp-hackers at lists.automattic.com
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> You're welcome. :)
>
> I don't use wp_print_scripts() because some other plugins might have inline
> scripts printed using the 'wp_print_scripts' hook.
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:46 PM, TobiasBg <wp-hackers at tobias.baethge.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > > That's why I use $wp_scripts->do_items(). It makes sure the same script
> > > isn't included twice. You just have to make sure you use the same
> handle
> > for
> > > both plugins.
> >
> > Argh, stupid me. Of course it does (and so does its wrapper
> > wp_print_scripts, that I prefer to use). I just had a typo in one of the
> > handles... Thanks for pointing me to it!
> >
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:05:11 -0600
> From: Otto <otto at ottodestruct.com>
> Subject: Re: [wp-hackers] Settings API: Showing errors if validation
> fails
> To: wp-hackers at lists.automattic.com
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> You could use the admin_notices hook to generate your own error
> messages based on whatever you like.
>
> Basically, hook a function to admin_notices. In this function, you
> need to check for your error case and generate output based on it.
> Then, you can unset $_GET['updated'] to prevent the Settings saved
> message from showing up.
>
> Basically something like this:
>
> 1. On error detection, save the error somewhere that you can pick it
> up later. Like an option, or a transient, or something.
>
> 2. On the admin_notices hooked function:
>
> if ($parent_file == 'options-general.php' && $_GET['page'] ==
> 'my-plugin-page') {
> // check the plugin option for errors
> // found some errors? If so, then {
> <div id="message" class="updated fade"><p><strong>No! You'll overload
> the reactor!</strong></p></div>
> // unset $_GET['updated']
> // }
> } // end function
>
> That should do the trick.
>
> -Otto
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:46:27 -0600
> From: Callum Macdonald <lists.automattic.com at callum-macdonald.com>
> Subject: [wp-hackers] Proposing WP Flavours (various WordPress forks)
> To: wp-hackers at lists.automattic.com
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> Holamigos,
>
> Instigated in part by recent discussion on ticket 5066[1], I think the
> time has come to create a few WordPress forks. I'm imagining a set of
> patches applied against core rolled into a tgz. I can see a few initial
> options:
> * Strip out all the update checking stuff
> * Anonymize update checking
> * Security focused patches
> * Remove post revisions, etc...
>
> I'm sure other people will have their own particular choices.
> Personally, I'd like to see a tin foil flavour of WordPress with ultra
> conservative privacy settings. :-)
>
> Rather than create a single fork, I propose to create wpflavours (or
> maybe wpflavors), a project to provide the means to maintain multiple
> WordPress flavours. I'm seeing an svn repo, patches (maybe using
> quilt[2]) and a mailing list.
>
> I've started a discussion[3]. If you're interested in contributing, let
> me know. I'll most likely only proceed if there is sufficient interest
> in maintaining patch sets.
>
> Warmly - Callum.
>
> [1] http://core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/5066
> [2] http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/quilt
> [3] http://www.callum-macdonald.com/2009/12/17/proposing-wp-flavours/
>
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 17:12:49 +0000
> From: Harish Narayanan <harish.mlists at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [wp-hackers] Proposing WP Flavours (various WordPress
> forks)
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> On 17/12/2009 16:46, Callum Macdonald wrote:
> > Holamigos,
> >
> > Instigated in part by recent discussion on ticket 5066[1], I think the
> > time has come to create a few WordPress forks. I'm imagining a set of
> > patches applied against core rolled into a tgz. I can see a few initial
> > options:
> > * Strip out all the update checking stuff
> > * Anonymize update checking
> > * Security focused patches
> > * Remove post revisions, etc...
> >
> > I'm sure other people will have their own particular choices.
> > Personally, I'd like to see a tin foil flavour of WordPress with ultra
> > conservative privacy settings. :-)
> >
> > Rather than create a single fork, I propose to create wpflavours (or
> > maybe wpflavors), a project to provide the means to maintain multiple
> > WordPress flavours. I'm seeing an svn repo, patches (maybe using
> > quilt[2]) and a mailing list.
> >
> > I've started a discussion[3]. If you're interested in contributing, let
> > me know. I'll most likely only proceed if there is sufficient interest
> > in maintaining patch sets.
>
> I haven't any opinions on the specific flavours mentioned, but I have
> one thing to add to this discussion. I have been part of a few Free
> Software projects that recently migrated their development
> repositories to Bazaar[1] and launchpad[2]. (The specific choices are
> not important to the discussion, but the capabilities these choices
> provide are.)
>
> This was supposed to be an infrastructural change, but it had some
> unintended, interesting and useful consequences. Because
> branching/merging was now easily possible[3], people who had cool
> ideas of their own maintained a branch (or a fork, or a parallel
> version of the tree, however you prefer to call it) containing their
> own experiments and pet features. Then, other curious people would
> check these features (flavours, in Callum's words), and the clearly
> useful changes would be merged back into the arbitrarily decreed
> "primary tree."
>
> I think considering such a development process will allow for a lot of
> things:
>
> * Allowing people to easily implement and publicise their own pet
> features and ideas.
> * Allow others to easily try out these implementations.
> * Doesn't require maintaining sets of patches Callum proposed.
> * Allows the "primary project branch" to easily pull in important,
> useful and cool changes from these offshoots.
>
> If someone is interested in seeing this in action, I can set up a
> mirror to the WordPress source repository on a hosted site (e.g.
> launchpad, github, bitbucket, ...). Others can branch/fork/clone/...
> this and maintain their pet features.
>
> Harish
>
>
> [1] http://bazaar.canonical.com/en/
> [2] https://launchpad.net/
> [3] It is possible in svn as well, but most big outfits tend to have a
> centralised development repository much like WordPress does,
> discouraging it. In comparison, check out the number of parallel
> branches for a project like MySQL https://code.launchpad.net/mysql .
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:32:00 -0500
> From: Ken Newman <Ken at adcSTUDIO.com>
> Subject: Re: [wp-hackers] Proposing WP Flavours (various WordPress
> forks)
> To: wp-hackers at lists.automattic.com
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> On 12/17/2009 11:46 AM, Callum Macdonald wrote:
> > Instigated in part by recent discussion on ticket 5066[1], I think the
> > time has come to create a few WordPress forks. I'm imagining a set of
> > patches applied against core rolled into a tgz. I can see a few initial
> > options:
> > * Strip out all the update checking stuff
> > * Anonymize update checking
> > * Security focused patches
> > * Remove post revisions, etc...
> >
> > ...
> >
> > Rather than create a single fork, I propose to create wpflavours (or
> > maybe wpflavors), a project to provide the means to maintain multiple
> > WordPress flavours. I'm seeing an svn repo, patches (maybe using
> > quilt[2]) and a mailing list.
> >
> Hello,
>
> I think that the privacy concerns are largely address by a declaration
> that WP does phone home and why that's desirable, and with a link to
>
> http://markjaquith.wordpress.com/2009/12/14/excluding-your-plugin-or-theme-from-update-checks/
> for those that need to disable checks on sensitive data.
>
> As far as forks go, I don't really think that's needed if the Canonical
> Plugins are used instead. Lots of functionality some would like added to
> core can (shortly) do so with canonical plugins.
>
> Additionally, Functionality that some would like **removed** from the
> core could be likewise dealt with in a canonical plugin. This goes for
> non-privacy related functionality like:
>
> 1. Code Editors for Themes and Plugins: Some people hate this and
> want it out of core, some like it tho; would make a good canonical
> plugin.
> 2. The new Image Editing Functionality: Some think it adds to much
> bloat and functionality is too niche. Others absolutely love it. I
> think it should be a canonical plugin, but installed and activated
> by default.
> 3. TinyMCE or LightBox: I'm using these as illustrating examples.
> Making these canonical plugins, with other versions, Colorbox or
> the text editor from google (whatever) would provide a smoother
> changing out of functionality. These wouldn't be able to be turned
> off without a substitute, which is why I included it here for
> consideration.
>
> I bring this up because I'm not sure if its been considered how
> canonical plugins can be for moving out core functionality as well as
> bringing in existing plugins as canon.
>
> Its also a better way to go then forking I believe.
>
> Thanks,
> Ken
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:19:46 -0500
> From: William Canino <william.canino at googlemail.com>
> Subject: Re: [wp-hackers] Proposing WP Flavours (various WordPress
> forks)
> To: wp-hackers at lists.automattic.com
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>
> Considering its thousands of action and filter hooks -- and more and
> more made in each release, in my opinion, WordPress is too
> customizable and open-ended to need particular forks.... that is,
> unless a very good programmer (or a group of them) comes up with a
> direction for WordPress that the lead devs (Boren, Jacquith,
> Mullenweg, Ozz and Westwood) feel strongly against.
>
> Realistically, the lead devs cannot allow/approve every kind of patch
> that will be suggested that disables features or takes WordPress in
> every sort of direction. While a plugin developer might say, "Hello,
> here is a one-line diff that will let WordPress handle Foobar content,
> I think people will find it useful," if the trac discussion says
> wont-fix, it's a wont-fix. I can see how the wont-fix feels to the
> plugin developer; the word "fork" will come to her mind.
>
> I haven't yet worked with WP Core closely to see how open-minded or
> politically-heated trac discussions get. To Foobar plugin developers:
> go right ahead anyway, strut your stuff, tell your plugin users to add
> that line as an installation step!! Don't ever let anybody tell you
> your idea isn't worth shit.
>
> Thank you for letting me speak.
>
> W.
>
> 2009/12/17 Ken Newman <Ken at adcstudio.com>:
> > On 12/17/2009 11:46 AM, Callum Macdonald wrote:
> >>
> >> Instigated in part by recent discussion on ticket 5066[1], I think the
> >> time has come to create a few WordPress forks. I'm imagining a set of
> >> patches applied against core rolled into a tgz. I can see a few initial
> >> options:
> >> * Strip out all the update checking stuff
> >> * Anonymize update checking
> >> * Security focused patches
> >> * Remove post revisions, etc...
> >>
> >> ...
> >>
> >> Rather than create a single fork, I propose to create wpflavours (or
> >> maybe wpflavors), a project to provide the means to maintain multiple
> >> WordPress flavours. I'm seeing an svn repo, patches (maybe using
> >> quilt[2]) and a mailing list.
> >>
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I think that the privacy concerns are largely address by a declaration
> that
> > WP does phone home and why that's desirable, and with a link to
> >
> http://markjaquith.wordpress.com/2009/12/14/excluding-your-plugin-or-theme-from-update-checks/
> > for those that need to disable checks on sensitive data.
> >
> > As far as forks go, I don't really think that's needed if the Canonical
> > Plugins are used instead. Lots of functionality some would like added to
> > core can (shortly) do so with canonical plugins.
> >
> > Additionally, Functionality that some would like **removed** from the
> core
> > could be likewise dealt with in a canonical plugin. This goes for
> > non-privacy related functionality like:
> >
> > ?1. Code Editors for Themes and Plugins: Some people hate this and
> > ? ? want it out of core, some like it tho; would make a good canonical
> > ? ? plugin.
> > ?2. The new Image Editing Functionality: Some think it adds to much
> > ? ? bloat and functionality is too niche. Others absolutely love it. I
> > ? ? think it should be a canonical plugin, but installed and activated
> > ? ? by default.
> > ?3. TinyMCE or LightBox: I'm using these as illustrating examples.
> > ? ? Making these canonical plugins, with other versions, Colorbox or
> > ? ? the text editor from google (whatever) would provide a smoother
> > ? ? changing out of functionality. These wouldn't be able to be turned
> > ? ? off without a substitute, which is why I included it here for
> > ? ? consideration.
> >
> > I bring this up because I'm not sure if its been considered how canonical
> > plugins can be for moving out core functionality as well as bringing in
> > existing plugins as canon.
> >
> > Its also a better way to go then forking I believe.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Ken
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> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 20:45:52 +0000
> From: carlos nunes <carlos_nunes42 at hotmail.co.uk>
> Subject: [wp-hackers] ??i need urgente a password of a hotmail can
> anybody help me???
> To: <wp-hackers at lists.automattic.com>
> Message-ID: <BAY119-W49234FD0A7854ECE2A98FA8860 at phx.gbl>
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>
> HI GOOD EVENING I NEED A PERSON HOTMAIL PASSWORD, I MEAN I THINK THAT
> PERSON IS CHEATING ON ME SO IF YOU CAN HELP ME CAUSE I ALLREDY TRIED SO MANY
> SOFTWARE LIKE PERFECT KEYLOOGER WICH GOT STEALTH MODE AND I JUST NEED THE
> PASSWORD OF THAT PERSON ONCE I GET IT I JUST TAKE A LOOK AND THEN I GET OUT
> PLEASE I REAL NEED IT IF I SENT YOU THE EMAIL OF THAT PERSONA CAN YOU HELP
> ME?
>
>
> THANKS BEST REGARDS
>
> CARLOS
>
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> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 07:55:20 +1100
> From: "Dion Hulse (dd32)" <wordpress at dd32.id.au>
> Subject: Re: [wp-hackers] ??i need urgente a password of a hotmail can
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> On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 07:45:52 +1100, carlos nunes
> <carlos_nunes42 at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >
> > HI GOOD EVENING I NEED A PERSON HOTMAIL PASSWORD, I MEAN I THINK THAT
> > PERSON IS CHEATING ON ME SO IF YOU CAN HELP ME CAUSE I ALLREDY TRIED SO
> > MANY SOFTWARE LIKE PERFECT KEYLOOGER WICH GOT STEALTH MODE AND I JUST
> > NEED THE PASSWORD OF THAT PERSON ONCE I GET IT I JUST TAKE A LOOK AND
> > THEN I GET OUT PLEASE I REAL NEED IT IF I SENT YOU THE EMAIL OF THAT
> > PERSONA CAN YOU HELP ME?
> >
> >
> > THANKS BEST REGARDS
> >
> > CARLOS
> >
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