[wp-hackers] Future of wp-hackers

Computer Guru computerguru at neosmart.net
Wed Sep 26 02:13:10 GMT 2007

This is kind of pointless seeing as it's not really the question; but that's the reason I prefer forums (public or private) to mailing lists: easier to keep track of what's important, easier to categorize, and easier to moderate :)

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NeoSmart Technologies

> -----Original Message-----
> From: wp-hackers-bounces at lists.automattic.com [mailto:wp-hackers-
> bounces at lists.automattic.com] On Behalf Of Matt Mullenweg
> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 5:05 AM
> To: wp-hackers at lists.automattic.com
> Subject: [wp-hackers] Future of wp-hackers
>  > But all the people
>  > participating in this discussion were not aware that this was
> already
>  > implemented.
> http://photomatt.net/2007/08/13/standard-argument/
> "Discussions are dominated chiefly by people who have time to dominate
> discussions, which over time includes fewer and fewer of the people who
> actually should."
> July and August, two months which had heightened activity on wp-hackers
> had the lowest participation from any core developers, including
> myself.
> Arguments over floating boxes and whether to use radio buttons or
> checkboxes go on for twenty posts between people who don't realize that
> the feature was implemented in core weeks before.[1]
> http://comox.textdrive.com/pipermail/wp-hackers/2007-
> September/014723.html
> People talking past each other about PHP5 (AFTER a decision had been
> made) generates hundreds of posts, yet Alex's post about unit tests,
> which has the potential to have a real impact on the quality of WP in
> the future, thuds with nary a response.
> http://blue.bikeshed.com/
> Unreasonable arguments, personal attacks, flame wars... the things that
> have been generating most of the discussion on this list have little to
> do with the success (or failure) of WordPress, unfortunately that means
> the people who work the hardest day to day in the trenches will avoid
> or
> batch their time here.
> Perhaps a new mailing list with moderated membership, or that was only
> open to those who had made substantive contributions to the codebase
> would be a good middle ground between private discussions, IRC, and
> wp-hackers. I honestly don't know.
>  > Unfortunately nobody aware of this already being
>  > implemented posted a comment.
> I posted to the thread, though, on 9-15-2007:
> [1] Which I pointed out:
> http://www.nabble.com/Re%3A-Automatic-feedback-from-users-
> p12696664.html
> I'm not directing this at anyone personally, which is why I've started
> a
> new thread even though I'm quoting a previous one, but I think everyone
> should take a step back and examine what exactly we're doing when we
> press the button that sends a message to the 940 members of this list.
> --
> Matt Mullenweg
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