[wp-hackers] Replacing TinyMCE with Xinha

Thu Nov 30 02:23:10 GMT 2006

So maybe Xinha can ship as a plugin and put a link on the write page so that
you can switch between the two.

On 11/29/06, Kirk Steffensen <blogger at steffensenfamily.com> wrote:
>
> Denis,
>
> I agree there are bugs in TinyMCE, but I also agree that the TinyMCE folks
> have been squashing them fairly quickly.  I built a plugin for TinyMCE
> (http://g2image.steffensenfamily.com) that's been used in WPG2
> (http://wpg2.galleryembedded.com) for the past six months, so I feel I
> have
> a little credibility on the matter.
>
> That said, I think your specific example is not a good one.  Any editor
> for
> a part of a page should strip out the <html> and <head> tags.  The shell
> (in
> this case WordPress) is responsible for those parts.  The subparts of a
> page
> should not try to have their own <html> and <head> tags, they should only
> be
> a part of the <body> tag.  Unless I'm totally missing what you're trying
> to
> do.
>
> I'm not religiously tied to TinyMCE either.  I can modify my Gallery2
> plugin
> for any editor with a good plugin system.  If we're going to look at a new
> editor, though, I'd recommend a look at FCKEditor, too.  It has fairly
> wide
> support among the other CMS-type software.
>
> I think it is worth noting that one of my favorite "big CMS" projects,
> Joomla (http://www.joomla.org) is also using TinyMCE as its default
> WYSIWYG
> editor.  Joomla also has a good plugin system that allows you to choose
> other editors, but it is their default, too.
>
> Kirk
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Denis de Bernardy [mailto:denis at semiologic.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 3:25 AM
> To: wp-hackers at lists.automattic.com
> Subject: RE: [wp-hackers] Replacing TinyMCE with Xinha
>
> > Matt Mullenweg:
> >
> > I'm not religiously tied to TinyMCE, but Xinha was pretty
> > fragile in my
> > playing with it, and overall the codebase seems much less mature. We
> > have good upstream support from the MCE guys, good repeatable bug
> > reports (Denis' isn't) usually get fixed.
>
> Sure they are. Send it to whoever is maintaining TinyMCE, he'll readily
> reproduce them. If you need anything more specific, though:
>
> If I recall correctly, weird things sprout when you hit the Return key
> several times fast enough. Likely due to the way the script manages <p>
> and
> <br> tags, i.e. we've got concurrent calls to the function when users type
> too fast, and they produce weird output. The same occurs for other combos,
> but this one was the most obvious.
>
> I haven't the slightest clue why the divs come up exactly, but it should
> be
> obvious to whoever created the validation script that, given the reported
> bug, empty <div> tags should be corrected as <div></div> rather than plain
> <div />.
>
> For the front page bug, paste junk, e.g.:
>
> <html><head><title>yada</title></head><body>yada</body></html>
>
> And see TinyMCE accept the above unchanged instead of grabbing the part in
> the body.
>
> Lastly, I don't paste from Word, but a few of my customers certainly do.
> They and others expect it to work because it's "bloody obvious" to them
> that
> a list gets formatted as a list no matter where you paste it to or from.
> Grab a few lists, tables, indents, etc. from Word97, paste in FCKEditor,
> it
> almost always works. Do the same in TinyMCE, and you almost always need to
> edit the resulting html source code. In particular, to remove <div />, <p
> />
> and <script /> tags.
>
> Denis
>
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