[wp-testers] Re: wp-testers Digest, Vol 9, Issue 25

[Dave W]

update to build 3150 and then you have to go /wp-admin/upgrade.php

On 11/18/05, wp-testers-request at lists.automattic.com <
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> 1. Re: Trailling Slash Problem in Inline Image Uploading (is it
> a JS problem?) (Andy Skelton)
> 2. Re: Quote? (shelby at fauxzen.com)
> 3. Re: Quote? (Doug Stewart)
> 4. Re: Quote? (Andy Skelton)
> 5. Re: Quote? (shelby at fauxzen.com)
> 6. is the comment counter broken? (Hisashi T Fujinaka)
> 7. Re: Quote? (rich boakes)
> 8. Re: Deleting Categories (Matt Mullenweg)
> 9. Error in stock 3149 (Robert Gormley)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 16:01:47 -0600
> From: Andy Skelton <skeltoac at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [wp-testers] Trailling Slash Problem in Inline Image
> Uploading (is it a JS problem?)
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> Yes, it's a JS problem. The bug was submitted to the TinyMCE team via
> Sourceforge.
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> Andy Skelton
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 17:04:58 -0500 (EST)
> From: shelby at fauxzen.com
> Subject: Re: [wp-testers] Quote?
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> I think both would be great, because there are a lot of times when I quote
> some text, and then also when writing like a mock letter its nice to have
> things indented.
>
> > I think the problem here is that, symantically, "indent" and "quote"
> > are two wholly different beasts. "Indent" is simple formatting - I
> > could conceive of several good situations in which one would want to
> > simply indent text. "Quoting", however, has a very specific
> > connotation - you are sourcing someone else's words and, as such, it
> > should be marked up differently, at least by convention.
> >
> > I heartily advocate for both a "quote" and an "indent" button if that
> > will please all comers, but if it's one or the other, I'd adamantly
> > hold that "quote" is the proper of the two.
> >
> > On 11/17/05, Austin Matzko <if.website at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On 11/17/05, Andy Skelton <skeltoac at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > The common method for inserting a blockquote in IE and Mozilla is
> >> > document.execCommand("Indent"...), which is why many WYSIWYG editors
> >> > call it Indent. The Outdent command is similar.
> >>
> >> That's fine, but the ordinary user is going to end up producing
> >> blockquote tags to style his or her text with indentation (which may
> >> or may not work, depending on the css). Encouraging this seems out of
> >> character for WordPress; after all, the bundled themes include links
> >> to XHTML validators.
> >>
> >> Since a relatively simple yet semantically correct solution is
> >> available for indentation, why does TinyMCE do this?
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 17:12:30 -0500
> From: Doug Stewart <zamoose at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [wp-testers] Quote?
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> All due respect, Owen, but semantics _do_ matter. The default theme
> outputs blockquotes styled with quotes. If the WYSIWYG editor is
> outputting <blockquote>, then newbies will start asking "Why are my
> indents all showing up with quote marks?" in the fora.
>
> I think that those on the design/implementation side of things MUST be
> pedantic and think through their actions, lest they incur all manner
> of unforseen consequences down the line.
>
>
> My $2/100.
>
> -Doug Stewart
>
> On 11/17/05, Owen Winkler <ringmaster at midnightcircus.com> wrote:
> > Doug Stewart wrote:
> > > I think the problem here is that, symantically, "indent" and "quote"
> > > are two wholly different beasts. "Indent" is simple formatting - I
> > > could conceive of several good situations in which one would want to
> > > simply indent text. "Quoting", however, has a very specific
> > > connotation - you are sourcing someone else's words and, as such, it
> > > should be marked up differently, at least by convention.
> >
> > This discussion has become pedantic (or maybe it started that way).
> >
> > If you have a true concern over which tags are used, you should not use
> > the WYSIWYG editor. You should use the textarea and write out your own
> > tags as you desire.
> >
> > The WYSI editor is great for the majority of ordinary users who, in my
> > completely unresearched opinion, don't give a damn what we geeks mean
> > when we say "semantic markup".
> >
> > Owen
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 16:19:10 -0600
> From: Andy Skelton <skeltoac at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [wp-testers] Quote?
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> On 11/17/05, shelby at fauxzen.com <shelby at fauxzen.com> wrote:
> > I think both would be great, because there are a lot of times when I
> quote
> > some text, and then also when writing like a mock letter its nice to
> have
> > things indented.
>
> This does not create a first-line indent, as your mention of a mock
> letter would seem to suggest.
>
> Andy Skelton
> http://andy.wordpress.com
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 17:36:18 -0500 (EST)
> From: shelby at fauxzen.com
> Subject: Re: [wp-testers] Quote?
> To: wp-testers at lists.automattic.com
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> Right I am saying usually when I have indented things it is when I write a
> letter and indent the text... I was thinking that it would be nice so
> when you clicked indent it would just kick your text over on that line
> ONLY kind of like hitting the tab key in Word. Also it should be
> differenet from the blockquote since it will add the " to it be default.
>
>
> > On 11/17/05, shelby at fauxzen.com <shelby at fauxzen.com> wrote:
> >> I think both would be great, because there are a lot of times when I
> >> quote
> >> some text, and then also when writing like a mock letter its nice to
> >> have
> >> things indented.
> >
> > This does not create a first-line indent, as your mention of a mock
> > letter would seem to suggest.
> >
> > Andy Skelton
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:55:22 -0800 (PST)
> From: Hisashi T Fujinaka <htodd at twofifty.com>
> Subject: [wp-testers] is the comment counter broken?
> To: wp-testers at lists.automattic.com
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> For some reason the comment count isn't incrementing.
>
> --
> Hisashi T Fujinaka - htodd at twofifty.com
> BSEE(6/86) + BSChem(3/95) + BAEnglish(8/95) + MSCS(8/03) + $2.50 = latte
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> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 23:06:44 +0000
> From: rich boakes <rich at boakes.org>
> Subject: Re: [wp-testers] Quote?
> To: wp-testers at lists.automattic.com
> Message-ID: <437D0D04.1050509 at boakes.org>
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> Owen Winkler wrote:
> >
> > If you have a true concern over which tags are used, you should not use
> > the WYSIWYG editor. You should use the textarea and write out your own
> > tags as you desire.
>
> My observation, on seeing this discussion
> unfold, is that the issue is not about how "we"
> markup "our" content; it's about the implied
> meaning that WordPress might impose on the
> creations of others.
>
> > The WYSI editor is great for the majority of ordinary users who, in my
> > completely unresearched opinion, don't give a damn what we geeks mean
> > when we say "semantic markup".
>
> The issue that Doug appears to be describing is
> _not_ about whether the user cares or not, it's
> just about the correct thing to do.
>
> An example:
>
> Whilst my mum blogs happily away using the
> nice interface, she doesn't give a damn about
> markup (as Owen correctly guesses). She does,
> however, want her entries to be enjoyed by her
> friends as effectively as possible.
>
> When I say "enjoyed" effectively, I'm not just
> talking about print. My mum's friends are
> getting old and can't see so well, so they use
> page readers which can alter voice pitch and
> timbre when reading a quotation so that it's
> apparent that a change of perspective has
> occurred.
>
> Misuse of blockquote for formatting purposes
> renders such capabilities ineffective.
>
> That, of course is just one example; what we
> don't know is how long the articles we write
> today will survive, and how they will be used in
> the future.
>
> What I think we _can_ be sure of is that if
> WordPress can assist authors in encoding meaning
> (rather than formatting) into their content,
> then the lifespan, audience and value of that
> content can only be improved.
>
> Rich
> --
> http://boakes.org
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>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 01:43:05 -0800
> From: Matt Mullenweg <m at mullenweg.com>
> Subject: Re: [wp-testers] Deleting Categories
> To: wp-testers at lists.automattic.com
> Message-ID: <437DA229.2060600 at mullenweg.com>
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> Owen Winkler wrote:
> > Just the javascript code for adding categories is about 180 lines by
> > itself, which is more lines of code than, for example, all of
> > wp-comments-post.php, which is only 63 lines long and makes it possible
> > to submit a comment.
>
> Yes we need to look at trimming and compressing all that. We've got a
> fair amount of JS now.
>
> --
> Matt Mullenweg
> http://photomatt.net | http://wordpress.org
> http://pingomatic.com | http://akismet.com
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> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 21:12:08 +1100
> From: "Robert Gormley" <robert at pennyonthesidewalk.com>
> Subject: [wp-testers] Error in stock 3149
> To: "wp-testers at lists.automattic.com"
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> With a stock build of 3149, I'm getting the following error:
>
> WordPress database error: [Unknown column 'comment_count' in 'field
> list']
> SELECT ID as comment_post_ID, comment_count as ccount FROM wp_posts
> WHERE ID in (4,3)
>
> Regards,
> Rob
>
>
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