[wp-pro] Need someone to upgrade multiple WP sites

[Kevin Miller]

Sorry, I'm new and didnt realize.

Apologies,

Kevin Miller

On 3/25/08, Dan Milward <dan at instinct.co.nz> wrote:
> Can you please keep this to yourselves - off list.
>
> Ciao,
>
> Dan
>
> Robert Deaton wrote:
> > I swore I wasn't going to get into this mess, but a few things said
> > here I really feel the need to correct.
> >
> > 1) People will _not_ always charge what they are worth, especially in
> > an area like this. If I were to charge what I am worth for developing
> > WordPress related things, I would not be able to get any work because
> > a cheaper, stupider, and more entrepreneurial developer would swipe
> > jobs from underneath me. I also don't charge as much as I could simply
> > because this work is not as difficult as work which I would charge
> > what I am worth for. On top of all of that, I don't need to charge
> > what I am worth to make myself happy and live more than comfortably,
> > so why should I?
> >
> > 2) Someone said ask about age. As someone who gets hit with silly age
> > discrimination occasionally, I must say that its simply the wrong
> > thing to ask. If I may, I'll use myself as a perfect example. Visit
> > http://wordpress.org/about/ quickly and notice that I am listed as a
> > contributing developer of WordPress. Now note that I haven't been
> > active in their community in over a year, but yet still managed to
> > rack up about 3 years of time as an active member of the community.
> > I'd say that's a good bit of experience, and without going into other
> > things that would make me further qualified, let me just say that that
> > amount of experience and those kind of references should trump age any
> > day. So don't judge based on age, its a silly thing to do.
> >
> > 3) Don't ask about fixed rates. Really, I wish some of the assholes on
> > this list would stop spitting out fixed rates to peoples job requests,
> > and I hope it comes back to bite them in the asses when they come to
> > find out that the person was not 100% clear in their original request
> > and the job ends up taking much, much longer than expected, with a
> > continuing nagging about how it isn't exactly how they wanted and they
> > already paid so you owe them. Wrong. Ask for and quote hourly rates,
> > it saves headache from both ends, as both ends know what to expect. If
> > you feel that you can't trust whoever the developer is to give you a
> > truthful value for the number of hours they worked, then don't hire
> > them. Check people's references, see what they've been involved in,
> > try to get a feel for whether they're an honest person, and let them
> > charge by the hour. Its fair to ask for an estimate of the number of
> > hours if the project is well-defined, but understand that a person may
> > go over that time and if its outside of your budget just ask. Some
> > developers will be happy to negotiate the hourly rate to help fit your
> > budget if it is a project they are truly interested in working on.
> >
> > 4) Find a good friend who knows some code. Ask potential developers
> > for code samples, and verify that their coding is neat, efficient, and
> > up to the standards for the project you'd like to have them work on.
> > If its not, then don't hire them. Its that simple.
> >
> >
> > For the developers on this list, though some of the above was targeted
> > at you, most of it was for people hiring. This is my request of you:
> > Stop being childish when a job request comes to the list that you
> > don't agree with. Nobody said you have to do it or even give a bid for
> > the project, you are free to pick and choose, and you are free to let
> > the person who is asking for all the wrong things find a developer who
> > is probably less capable and will not work out as desired. I'm tired
> > of these stupid threads popping up where someone bites a person's head
> > off over a request for a bid on a job. You don't go down to McDonalds
> > and yell at the manager in public over the fact that they want to hire
> > people at minimum wage and you think you're better qualified. If the
> > job is below you, then don't do it, delete the mail, mark it as spam,
> > do whatever you will, but leave that crap off the public mailing
> > lists. The rest of us don't care.
> >
> >
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