{Disarmed} Re: [wp-pro] need ] Need to hire wordpress web developer and marketing

[Alec]

Don't agree Aaron with you or Brian.

This is a recipe for anarchists anonymous. Miriam's post was  
interesting.

Which is what we have here right now.

WP-Pro is supposed to be reasonably trendy upmarket bar filled with  
professionals. Instead it's filled with hucksters and shysters who  
come here and dump offal on our heads.

The email from Alan Johnston is what should be going out on this list.

This list has a purpose - contacting Wordpress professionals and  
that's what should be sent out to the list.

I'd be quite fine with this debate not happening here anymore - it is  
unbecoming - but not less unbecoming than the preposterous $5 offers.

If you'll agree to dump the $5 offers, I'll stop complaining about  
them. Professional standards go up all round.

Deal?

On 18 Jun 2008, at 00:54, Alexander (aleksandr at wp-web.com) (Emailias:  
REPLY-MASKED) wrote:

> Clear and professional voice finally.
> +1
>
> Aaron D. Campbell --> list:
>> Brian York wrote:
>>> I've been biting my tongue on this, but I think the best
>>> solution might be that we, as adults, ingore the emails that are
>>> below budget or offensive in any way.  Rules only create more
>>> rules.
>>
>> I have to throw my +1 at this.  Someone also said that the replies
>> to the low-ball jobs create more clutter in his inbox than the
>> low-ball jobs themselves, and I agree.  Also, like another person
>> said, there are times when what may seem like a low-ball job to
>> me, actually benefits both sides.  I know there are people in
>> Uganda that are beyond happy to make $7/day making jewelery (7x
>> what they can make doing other things), and if they ever got
>> computers to the Acholi Quarter then I'd be ecstatic that they
>> were getting work, not upset at the low-pay.  I personally can't
>> work for anywhere near that, but that doesn't mean others can't,
>> and I'm happy for them if they can.
>>
>> Miriam Schwab wrote:
>>> I'm interested to know if anyone here has gotten any decent
>>> projects from this list? If not, it may be worthwhile trying to
>>> figure out how to get the idea across that this list consists of
>>> professionals with professional level experience and pricing.
>>
>> Yes, I've gotten work off this list.  Some people want someone
>> with experience, professionalism, and even US Based.  I can't
>> compete with foreign rates, but I don't try to, and sometimes you
>> don't have to.  I'm going to share some of my fees here so people
>> know I'm not taking minimum wage work.  Please don't slam me for
>> being too cheap, or think I'm bragging, these are the rates I use
>> to support my family here in Arizona, US.  (Also, I'm a
>> programmer, not a designer, just for people's info.)
>>
>> I charged $55/hr for most projects that I've gotten from this
>> list, and raised my rate to $65/hr recently.  I'm definitely not
>> the most expensive guy out there, but I don't think those are
>> horrible rates.  I haven't got anything huge, mostly 10-20 hour
>> projects, but I've gotten more than a few.
>>
>> I have a separate rate for non-profits and socially proactive
>> businesses that have a good cause.  I give a 33% discount, which
>> meant roughly $36/hr on the old rate, and roughly $43/hr on the
>> new.  Using those rates, I picked up a really great non-profit
>> client from here.  One that has done probably 50+ hours with me,
>> has more on the way, and and we've built a good working
>> relationship.
>>
>> I've gotten all that work without needing to slam people for
>> asking for work for cheap, I just don't respond to those.
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.....................................................................................................
  alec kinnear | creative director
  vox north america  +1 415 287 0752   fax toronto +1 416 352 5026
  vox vienna +43 676 602 2568   www.foliovision.com
......................................................................................................