{Disarmed} Re: [wp-pro] need ] Need to hire wordpress
web developer and marketing
Chris Jean
chris at realthemes.com
Tue Jun 17 14:24:36 GMT 2008
I just have to say something on this subject.
First my experience: I have had an overall positive experience with this
list. As a new startup, I don't have an extensive portfolio list to
point to since my former employer owns that work. So I've found this
list to be an invaluable resource for generating my initial client base.
Now for feedback from a new client: One of my recently-found clients
from this list told me that most of the responses he received were from
people outside the US, and he really felt comfortable with me due to my
response and the fact that I was within a couple time zones.
As for this list, I can't help but feel that the constant complaining
does nothing but serve to scare away some of the better clients. If I
were looking for work on this list, I would add myself and watch the
list for a few days. If I saw what I've been seeing for the past week,
I'd be severely turned off.
I understand that some people here are top-level professionals (I would
expect this group to be the minority and not the majority), but frankly,
most of the people asking for work here are not looking for top-level
work. They are looking for people who are willing to help them with
their project for the budget they have. Even if we created all these
"rules" that you must be willing to pay X number of dollars per hour,
you must put your budget in your subject line, etc, those rules would
rarely be noticed. Then the people who currently complain would complain
even more with torrents of responses saying, "read the rules!"
Something to keep in mind is that not everyone requesting work on this
list if from [fill in your country], and not everybody responding to the
requests is from [fill in your country]. This is an international list
with international members. So putting limits on who can and who cannot
send messages to this list will do nothing more than make this list
all-but-worthless. Besides, if someone makes a request and doesn't
receive any responses, a rational person would realize that either a) no
one is able to help them, b) there is a problem with what they are
willing to pay, or c) there is a problem with their project. If that
person sends another message asking why they didn't receive any
responses, we can then nicely tell them that the budget that they have
is below what we are able to work for and recommend that they seek help
on wordpress.org/support <http://wordpress.org/support>.
One last issue with the notion of people with professional-level
budgets. Why turn to a list of unknown strangers with unknown
reputations and abilities when you have the money to hire known
professionals? People with a budget like that typically have a contact
that can do the work for them, have a contact that knows who would be a
good designer/developer for the proejct, or can hire a big-name firm to
do the work for them. So please drop the fantasy that this list should
be exclusively for people with budgets of that level.
My advice is this:
* If you are looking for someone to help you with your project, by
all means post your request here.
* If you are looking for jobs to do for whatever reason and want to
watch this list, watch the list, filter through those that aren't
worth your time, and don't flame the person making the request.
Flaming people doesn't make you look professional and doesn't make
this list look professional. So, if you have a beef with the
"quality" of the requests coming through this list, either
unsubscribe yourself or go rant about it to someone/something that
doesn't make us look unprofessional.
tl;dr
If you have a complaint about the "professionalism" of the requests
coming through, keep it to yourself or remove yourself from the list.
Complaining about it just serves to make us look unprofessional.
Chris Jean
Developer
RealThemes.com
Miriam Schwab wrote:
> It seems to me that most of the postings on this list are by people
> who want to pay $5 an hour for "it won't take you long" kind of work.
>
> I'm interested to know if anyone here has gotten any decent projects
> from this list? If not, it may be worthwhile trying to figure out how
> to get the idea across that this list consists of professionals with
> professional level experience and pricing.
>
> OR...
>
> Here's another angle, just to be devil's advocate: I have no idea how
> many people are on this list or where they're from, but it's very
> possible that there are many subscribers from countries where the cost
> of living is lower so the prices are lower, like India and some of
> Eastern Europe. I think that we have to take them into account, and
> the fact that cheap job postings benefit two sides: the people seeking
> help who have minimal budgets; and the people who are happy to get
> this type of work and feel that it is worth their while.
>
> Miriam
>
> ---------------------
> Miriam Schwab
> illuminea marketing & media
> Office: +972.2.566.0297
> www.illuminea.com <http://www.illuminea.com/>
> www.wordpressgarage.com <http://www.wordpressgarage.com/>
>
> On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Manuel Amador (Rudd-O)
> <rudd-o at rudd-o.com <mailto:rudd-o at rudd-o.com>> wrote:
>
> The "price on the subject" idea is not bad. I think if we all
> agree to
> publicize it as /call it "budget" instead of price, it would make
> much more
> sense.
>
> El Lunes 16 Jun 2008, Dan Milward escribió:
> > I agree with you too. Hence my suggestion of having price in the
> > subject.. then I don't have to waste time reading jobs that don't
> > interest me. but meh. Whatever. I won't loose any sleep over
> this :))
> >
> > Ciao,
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > Michael Martine wrote:
> > > If an offer is too low I just ignore it. If somebody wants to
> work for
> > > that little money, they are welcome to go for it. No big deal.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 10:28 PM, Stephen Singer
> > > <stephenms at earthlink.net <mailto:stephenms at earthlink.net>
> <mailto:stephenms at earthlink.net <mailto:stephenms at earthlink.net>>>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Tea
> > >
> > > I am sorry you feel this but as a professional you don't
> need to
> > > use this as a forum. We are all are entitled to use this
> service
> > > seeking professionals and if this insulting I am sorry
> there are
> > > plenty other ways to get work. I am not asking you to work for
> > > free. Like I said if you were looking for a free service
> to get
> > > work then you should allow this kind of freedom instead of
> > > complaining. People who advertise for jobs usually pay for
> such
> > > services or simply pay marketing people. As an artist I
> do things
> > > not for much money and at times I am quite happy the work
> is there.
> > >
> > >
> > > Stephen
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > *From:* Téa Brennan <mailto:tea at linkartist.com.au
> <mailto:tea at linkartist.com.au>>
> > > *To:* Stephen Singer <mailto:stephenms at earthlink.net
> <mailto:stephenms at earthlink.net>>
> > > *Cc:* lawrence at krubner.com
> <mailto:lawrence at krubner.com> <mailto:lawrence at krubner.com
> <mailto:lawrence at krubner.com>> ;
> > > wp-pro at lists.automattic.com
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> > > *Sent:* Monday, June 16, 2008 7:16 PM
> > > *Subject:* Re: [wp-pro] need ] Need to hire wordpress web
> > > developer and marketing
> > >
> > > Actually, wp-pro is for legitimate, paid Wordpress work by
> > > professionals.
> > >
> > > It's not Craig's List, where you can expect to get web
> design
> > > for bargain basement prices by a kid in his Mum's
> basement.
> > >
> > > From the info page: "A list for professional consultants
> > > providing WordPress services."
> > >
> > > If you're looking to throw "a few hundred bucks if
> this works"
> > > -- that is insulting to every professional on this list.
> > >
> > > I too am tiring of this.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Téa Brennan
> > > www.linkartist.com.au <http://www.linkartist.com.au>
> <http://www.linkartist.com.au>
> > >
> > > On 17/06/2008, at 10:04 AM, Stephen Singer wrote:
> > >> Dear Lawrence,
> > >>
> > >> This is the Internet not some agency for Web
> Developers or
> > >> some exclusive club. If you are not interested you don't
> > >> need to respond
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Stephen
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lawrence Krubner"
> > >> <lkrubner at geocities.com
> <mailto:lkrubner at geocities.com> <mailto:lkrubner at geocities.com
> <mailto:lkrubner at geocities.com>>>
> > >> To: "Stephen Singer" <stephenms at earthlink.net
> <mailto:stephenms at earthlink.net>
> > >> <mailto:stephenms at earthlink.net
> <mailto:stephenms at earthlink.net>>>
> > >> Cc: <wp-pro at lists.automattic.com
> <mailto:wp-pro at lists.automattic.com>
> > >> <mailto:wp-pro at lists.automattic.com
> <mailto:wp-pro at lists.automattic.com>>>
> > >> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 7:01 PM
> > >> Subject: Re: [wp-pro] need ] Need to hire wordpress web
> > >> developer and marketing
> > >>
> > >>> Stephen Singer wrote:
> > >>>> Please check out my website www.kikachannel.com
> <http://www.kikachannel.com>
> > >>>> <http://www.kikachannel.com>
> > >>>> this is a free online concert video of famous
> artists like
> > >>>> Chaka Khan, Four Tops, Tanya Tucker The idea here is to
> > >>>> make money with advertising etc Already have the
> player etc
> > >>>> and a website going
> > >>>
> > >>> What I need is to list each artist and to be able to
> link t
> > >>>
> > >>> >his to another page where there will be info on the
> artist
> > >>> >plus you play the full length concert and bios,
> photos etc
> > >>>
> > >>> I will link
> > >>> Amazon, Ebay on this page to sell
> > >>>
> > >>> >products and other companies. I am working with
> > >>>
> > >>> www.Brightcove.com <http://www.Brightcove.com>
> <http://www.Brightcove.com> I
> > >>> am uploading
> > >>>
> > >>> >these full length concerts in high quality to see full
> > >>>
> > >>> concerts which
> > >>> are about a hour long. I
> > >>>
> > >>> >need some who has a background in video marketing,
> website
> > >>>
> > >>> developer
> > >>> and word press and the
> > >>>
> > >>> >ability to market this on the WEB. Willing to give
> a few
> > >>>
> > >>> hundred
> > >>> dollars for the project and some back end
> > >>>
> > >>> >money if this works and starts making money. I
> realize this
> > >>>
> > >>> is not a
> > >>> much of a budget but honestly this
> > >>>
> > >>> >is quite speculative. The great thing is I have tons of
> > >>>
> > >>> videos of
> > >>> these legendary acts.
> > >>>
> > >>>> Please contact me via e-mail or (818) 991-9347
> > >>>> Stephen Singer
> > >>>
> > >>> What is going on with the WP-Pro list? We've had an
> epidemic
> > >>> lately of people asking for free or nearly free
> help. Can we
> > >>> get some moderation on this list? It would nice to limit
> > >>> this list to requests from clients who are serious.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> -- lawrence krubner
> > >>
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