[wp-forums] wp-forums Digest, Vol 109, Issue 11

[Dot 07]

Apologies again, I guess I am supposed to send to this address and not 
your personal address. Either way, not bother to me.

Hi Otto,

Thanks for responding. First please understand. I was not the one who 
was engaged in the "Sockpuppetry". Your email was forwarded to me.

I didn't ask the plugins team about it. And I have no problem with 
removing fake reviews. Kudos to you for removing anything that isn't 
legitimate. That isn't the issue I have. I have been looking at the 
reviews and I have checked their profiles to see when they have created 
their profiles. I am against fake reviews myself and I warned my partner 
about such things when we first began. Maybe he didn't understand what I 
was trying to say at that point. Your correction was received and the 
correction hopefully was made.

If you check ips, you will find that he is in a different country and 
maybe (I don't guarantee) the translation of what I initially warned 
about didn't get through.

You are talking to a different person from the person you had other 
correspondence with. Maybe I did misunderstand what you said as well. I 
accept that and I would really like to get past it, if at all possible.

I was advised by someone else to address the moderator thread, that's 
the only reason I did that. I was told that I shouldn't really contact 
anyone directly. All moderators should have the opportunity to be a part 
of the discussion. I don't mind that, and I am sure I would come away 
with a few scratches as a result. But I will have a better understanding 
when I am finished as well, so maybe it would be worth it. However, if 
you and I can gain an understanding and that there might be a 
misunderstanding between everyone concerned, we can get back on an even 
footing.

If I am mistaken about what I read, I am fully and willingly to accept that.

But, your moderator asked me who gave the information and what was said. 
I know of no rule against quoting someone from your team. Now that I 
know, it won't happen again. I was simply responding with what I 
believed was a true statement. If it is in fact taken out of context, 
please share that context.

I recognize things can get all twisted up in written communication, it's 
difficult under ideal circumstances to know what and how someone is 
saying something having no idea what the mindset is or that attitude of 
the writer. Please accept my apology if I misunderstood the context of 
what you were saying in the email that was forwarded to me. The last 
thing I want to do is misrepresent something.

I saw that one of the moderators thought I was an "angry" plugin 
developer. Actually, I'm not. I am pragmatic and pedantic but not angry. 
I want to present things correctly, thus my explanation of why I was 
asking for expanded reviews.

Again, my apology. It was not intended to be something other than an 
honest attempt to make sure the reviews are real reviews and that they 
be encouraged to participate on WordPress.org forums if they are going 
to join and review. That was my entire intent. I have no axe to grind. I 
have no reason to damage our opportunity to be a productive part of the 
WordPress community. I personally don't understand anyone who would 
intentionally damage their chance to work with one of the best pieces of 
web software on the net. That just doesn't make sense to me.

So, please understand, my desire has not been to create a problem, just 
encourage (if they are real) people who post reviews of our plugin and 
to give a reason for my asking them to do so.

Please, feel free to contact me and clarify anything I may have 
misunderstood.

(added below)

Hi again Otto,

Please provide me a link to the place where quoting from an email will 
get someone banned. I have looked and I didn't see that. Be assured, I 
won't do it again, I don't care if Matt himself asks for me to provide 
proof.

But I would like to know where that is. I don't wish to violate any of 
your rules, written or unwritten. And being bozo'd because I responded 
with what I was asked by your moderator to provide is a little excessive 
IMHO. But, I also acknowledge it is what it is and we all have to live 
within the boundaries of whatever "authority" is setting the rules .. It 
would just help if they were a little more comprehensive and not so 
subjective, if you understand what I am saying. :)

Thanks,
Louis
Dot 07

And please, any one of you who wishes to address me instead of talking 
about me like I'm some Ailene, feel free. I'm not perfectly innocent as 
esmi apparently jokingly claims to be.. lol

A little more attempt to understand that there could be a 
misunderstanding and a little less of the pride in using the word "Bozo" 
for other human beings who are honestly trying to navigate the 
subjective application of what nobody seems to fully understand would be 
a great step forward. Are you people for real?

It's not really a joke to treat people the way you are treating them and 
talking about them presumably behind their backs. A little too much 
carnival involved in your name calling and presumption that everything 
you do is fully understood, and the apparent notion that those who say 
something you don't like, or respond to your request to provide 
information should be considered some clown. Now that is offensive. And 
not really something to boast about. But, again, it is what it is.





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> 4. Re: Just bozo'd this plugin author (Otto)
> 5. Policy?? (Dot 07)
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> For the following comment to a perfectly innocent reviewer (and
> resulting arguments) in
> <https://wordpress.org/support/topic/wow-simply-amazing?replies=11>
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> <quote>
> We have been informed that the policy WordPress moderators are using
> is to remove reviews of people who just sign up to review, review on the
> same day they sign up, and they don't participate in the forums.
>
> We understand that users come from all over the world and from other
> websites where they may be participating, but sign up to express their
> opinions about plugins. But, WordPress moderators seem to be using a
> guide that doesn't take that into consideration. So, please to become a
> participant in the forums here so that the time you have taken to
> register and post your review doesn't get wasted.
> </quote>
>
> Seems he had a slap on the wrist via email from the plugin review team
> for sock puppetry - hence his statement about this "new policy". And he
> seems to be deliberately ignoring the distinction between forum policy
> and decisions taken by the plugin review team on a case-by-case basis.
>
> I think he definitely needs watching over the next few weeks to see if
> he continues trying spread this idea of a new policy.
>
> Mel