[wp-forums] FW: FW: Using the forums for contacting people outside of the forums

[Mike Turner]

Thanks Mika,  reads much better now ;)

I'm not here to try to gang up on you all (well gang up is probably not the right word as it's 1 vs all of you guys ;) ) - but when I do see something that I don't agree with then I feel compelled to speak up, even if its on behalf of the 'other guy'.  At the same time I've seen things on here that I do agree with (those ones I don't tend to comment on so just assume you're doing a good job if I'm not complaining) ;)

> Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 10:02:45 -0800
> From: ipstenu at halfelf.org
> To: wp-forums at lists.automattic.com
> Subject: Re: [wp-forums] FW: FW: Using the forums for contacting people outside of the forums
> 
> Mike: Chip wasn't attempting to be mean or call you names, he was trying 
> to explain things. Please try to assume good faith and that we actually 
> are trying to be helpful here :) I promise, we are attempting to answer 
> you questions, show you where your assumption, while understandable, was 
> incorrect, and move forward.
> 
> Speaking of moving forward in a way that is progressive to the 
> situation, I've amended the forum mailing list bit on the welcome. It's 
> longer, which y'all know I hate (the more 'rules' we have to make the 
> more of a PITA life is), but in this case, I think it's a little more 
> explanatory: http://codex.wordpress.org/Forum_Welcome#Forum_Mailing_List
> 
> "Note that the mailing list is for discussing issues with the support 
> forum itself, rather than for posting your problems with WordPress. It's 
> primarily used by forum moderators and other regular volunteers for 
> discussion of code and behavioral issues on the forums. While the list 
> is public for anyone to join or read, it's intended use is for the 
> people who volunteer to make the forum better to communicate more easily."
> 
> Also removed that annoying ending a sentence with a preposition bit. We 
> all have things that annoy us!
> 
> Remember the OP? If he was confused, let us address that issue so that 
> the next guy doesn't have the same problem!
> > Mike Turner <mailto:miketurnermk at hotmail.com>
> > January 27, 2014 at 9:59 AM
> > "*WordPress* support and *forum* support are two different things, and
> > cannot be conflated. Only in conflating them do you find a contradiction
> > where none otherwise exists - and it comes across as an attempt to split
> > hairs in order to be argumentative, which doesn't help resolve anything."
> > Chip, I'm not splitting hairs over anything to be argumentative. You 
> > have 2 completely separate webpages with a completely separate 
> > definition of what this mailing list is used for. I agree, that IF you 
> > put the 2 statements together then perhaps you get the intended 
> > definition but the fact is that today these are in totally separate 
> > places.
> > As a user, I only found the first one, read it and took my 
> > interpretation for what this mailing list was based on said 
> > description. If you want to be defensive about it and start simply 
> > accusing me of being argumentative for the sake of it, perhaps you 
> > should listen to what is being said instead. Which is that 'as a user' 
> > I had an impression of what this mailing list was for, and until you 
> > dug up a completely seperate definition of what this was, I had no 
> > idea that other definition existed so trying to wave it in my face and 
> > calling me argumentative, I'm afraid will get you no where.> Date: 
> > Mon, 27 Jan 2014 12:41:55 -0500
> >
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> > Ipstenu the Half-Elf <mailto:ipstenu at halfelf.org>
> > January 27, 2014 at 7:06 AM
> > Mike, we know it's public, however I think in this case we're okay.
> >
> > I get what you're saying, but look at it from our end too, eh? We have 
> > to draw a line somewhere, and we chose to draw it there for YEARS. We 
> > have guidelines that explain this as best we can, we're trying to be 
> > as light handed as possible, but we also need to have each other backs 
> > for support, because I gotta tell you, users be crazy and mean and 
> > abusive to us ALL THE TIME.
> >
> > We've not quoted whole emails, we've said "hey, so and so has been 
> > harassing me with comments like this." And that is what THIS LIST is 
> > for. We are public with when we block people and report here. We are 
> > public with our suspicious activity reports (hey, so and so is acting 
> > like a sock puppet!) because we need to be able to have open 
> > conversation about these things.
> >
> > Locking everything down to just a few people has been pointed at as 
> > being exclusionary and rude. So what was said here was restrained. I 
> > think if someone actually took this to court or tried to sue anyone, 
> > it'd be laughed out. And I actually do have practical experience with 
> > that :)
> >
> >
> >
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