[wp-forums] FW: FW: Using the forums for contacting people outside of the forums

[Half-Elf on Tech]

Mike: Chip wasn't attempting to be mean or call you names, he was trying 
to explain things. Please try to assume good faith and that we actually 
are trying to be helpful here :) I promise, we are attempting to answer 
you questions, show you where your assumption, while understandable, was 
incorrect, and move forward.

Speaking of moving forward in a way that is progressive to the 
situation, I've amended the forum mailing list bit on the welcome. It's 
longer, which y'all know I hate (the more 'rules' we have to make the 
more of a PITA life is), but in this case, I think it's a little more 
explanatory: http://codex.wordpress.org/Forum_Welcome#Forum_Mailing_List

"Note that the mailing list is for discussing issues with the support 
forum itself, rather than for posting your problems with WordPress. It's 
primarily used by forum moderators and other regular volunteers for 
discussion of code and behavioral issues on the forums. While the list 
is public for anyone to join or read, it's intended use is for the 
people who volunteer to make the forum better to communicate more easily."

Also removed that annoying ending a sentence with a preposition bit. We 
all have things that annoy us!

Remember the OP? If he was confused, let us address that issue so that 
the next guy doesn't have the same problem!
> Mike Turner <mailto:miketurnermk at hotmail.com>
> January 27, 2014 at 9:59 AM
> "*WordPress* support and *forum* support are two different things, and
> cannot be conflated. Only in conflating them do you find a contradiction
> where none otherwise exists - and it comes across as an attempt to split
> hairs in order to be argumentative, which doesn't help resolve anything."
> Chip, I'm not splitting hairs over anything to be argumentative. You 
> have 2 completely separate webpages with a completely separate 
> definition of what this mailing list is used for. I agree, that IF you 
> put the 2 statements together then perhaps you get the intended 
> definition but the fact is that today these are in totally separate 
> places.
> As a user, I only found the first one, read it and took my 
> interpretation for what this mailing list was based on said 
> description. If you want to be defensive about it and start simply 
> accusing me of being argumentative for the sake of it, perhaps you 
> should listen to what is being said instead. Which is that 'as a user' 
> I had an impression of what this mailing list was for, and until you 
> dug up a completely seperate definition of what this was, I had no 
> idea that other definition existed so trying to wave it in my face and 
> calling me argumentative, I'm afraid will get you no where.> Date: 
> Mon, 27 Jan 2014 12:41:55 -0500
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> Ipstenu the Half-Elf <mailto:ipstenu at halfelf.org>
> January 27, 2014 at 7:06 AM
> Mike, we know it's public, however I think in this case we're okay.
>
> I get what you're saying, but look at it from our end too, eh? We have 
> to draw a line somewhere, and we chose to draw it there for YEARS. We 
> have guidelines that explain this as best we can, we're trying to be 
> as light handed as possible, but we also need to have each other backs 
> for support, because I gotta tell you, users be crazy and mean and 
> abusive to us ALL THE TIME.
>
> We've not quoted whole emails, we've said "hey, so and so has been 
> harassing me with comments like this." And that is what THIS LIST is 
> for. We are public with when we block people and report here. We are 
> public with our suspicious activity reports (hey, so and so is acting 
> like a sock puppet!) because we need to be able to have open 
> conversation about these things.
>
> Locking everything down to just a few people has been pointed at as 
> being exclusionary and rude. So what was said here was restrained. I 
> think if someone actually took this to court or tried to sue anyone, 
> it'd be laughed out. And I actually do have practical experience with 
> that :)
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