[wp-forums] copy of wordshell

Fri Sep 28 14:29:25 UTC 2012

Piffle, Marc :) You're a member of this list, you have the authority to 
tell me when I'm being a jerk :) Never forget that! If you all stop 
saying 'Hey, Ipstenu, that line? You're crossing it!' then I'll lose the 
ability to see it!

The tl;dr is, however, that these are not the forums. These are the 
forum-support-emails, where people who ride the range, wrangling the 
forums, come for help from our peers, and to warn folks about folks 
who've lost their mind.

Which does remind me. Stuart - This is the wrong list for that question 
anyway. You probably mean to be on wp-hackers (though they'll likely say 
it's the wrong list too). If you really, desperately, want a free and 
GPL command line interference for WP, try WP-CLI.
> Mar Ventus <mailto:marventus.wp at gmail.com>
> September 28, 2012 9:11 AM
> *@Stuart:*
> The answer to your question is in the license document itself:
>
>>   It is provided to you via a service subscription. The service
>> subscription is per-machine (where WordShell is installed – the websites
>> managed themselves can be on any number of machines).
>
> That means 2 things:
> *a.* The license between the Dev and the User only comes into effect
> through the act of purchasing a service. You have not purchased the
> service, therefore, the license (GPL or not) does not apply to you;
> *b.* Even if you did buy the service, you would not be able to distribute
> the software because of the "per-machine" limitations.
> Now, whether the license constitutes an actual GPL license is an entire
> different matter. I don't think it does. However, even if it objectively
> does not, that is still not grounds for violating that particular license,
> regardless of anything else.
>
> *@Ipstenu:*
>
>> I am mod :)
>
> Indeed you are. And paraphrasing Spiderman: "with great power comes
> great(ER?) responsibility", :-)
>
> And I don't think saying 'Don't be a jerk' is ban-worthy. The other words
>> (which yes, I was thinking) are. But I really can't think of another way to
>> get the point across of how mean that is. I could very easily argue that
>> what Stuart is asking for is theft. Given the context, I wouldn't even
>> flinch if I saw that in the forums.
>
> In the Forum Welcome, "calling people names" is listed as a potential cause
> for a ban, and I understand that these are guiding principles more than
> strict rules, but still... As to expressing certain points strongly, I am
> all in favor of sending strong messages. Also, since I don't like being
> told how to express myself, I try not to do it to others (unless they are
> yelling or becoming agitated, etc.). However, I do see various ways to
> convey an equally strong point without crossing the name-calling barrier.
> In your latest reply, for instance, there was a perfect one IMHO, which
> consisted of comparing Stuart's act to theft, but actually calling him a
> thief. Others come to mind, such as questioning the morality of the act.
>
> If you think I should be castigated for saying jerk
>
> Not at all. I don't have the authority (neither moral nor factual) to make
> that sort of decisions or suggestions, nor was it my intention to even go
> down that road. I was simply trying to raise awareness over not crossing
> certain limits when it comes to addressing issues that arise on the forums
> or the lists. I don't know about you, but I really like the WP community (a
> lot!), and I would hate it see it turning into your average "Battle
> Royale", like most of the net is, nowadays. Now, don't get me wrong: we all
> have our "I wanna murder this guy with a dull spoon" kind of moments when
> confronted to certain user practices, sayings, attitudes or requests, and I
> am certainly not an exception here. However, I think that the way in which
> we choose to deal with said events has a major impact on future
> occurrences. To put it differently, I believe we should try to avoid users
> thinking something on the lines of "if mods and contributors don't respect
> the rules, why should we, regular users?".
> I'm gonna finish with another nerdy thought: since "some people just want
> to watch the world burn", are we going to jump in with a torch and help
> them, or bring out the big fire extinguishers and quench that mofo-ing
> fire? :-)
>
>
> Marventus
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Mika A Epstein<ipstenu at ipstenu.org>wrote:
>
>> Oh and its contact at wordshell.net.<mailto:contact at wordshell.net>
>>
>>> Mika A Epstein<mailto:ipstenu at ipstenu.org>
>>> September 28, 2012 8:25 AM
>>>
>>> Yes it is.
>>>
>>> He is SELLING it. You are asking to take it and give it away.
>>>
>>> GPL doesn't mean 'free as in beer.'
>>>
>>> Of course you can, via the GPL, do this. I'm just saying you shouldn't.
>>>
>>> I'll put it this way. If you steal a plugin from WPMU plugins and attempt
>>> to put it up in the WordPress.org forums, you will be banned so fast your
>>> head will spin. It's not a matter of GPL, it's a matter of humanity. Let us
>>> not play Devs against Humanity.
>>>
>>> Stuart Matthews<mailto:stuart at islogistics.com**>
>>> September 28, 2012 8:23 AM
>>> 1) I scoured his website and even the whois records for his email
>>> address, couldn't find it. This was a choice of the dev to not be easily
>>> found.
>>> 2) If it is GPLv2 licensed, then it isn't a "jerk" thing to do. The
>>> license specifically gives permission to share the software. You can't get
>>> nerd credit for using GPL and then not be OK with people sharing the
>>> software.
>>>
>>> - Stuart
>>>
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> Mika A Epstein <mailto:ipstenu at ipstenu.org>
> September 28, 2012 8:25 AM
> Oh and its contact at wordshell.net. <mailto:contact at wordshell.net>
>
> Mika A Epstein <mailto:ipstenu at ipstenu.org>
> September 28, 2012 8:25 AM
> Yes it is.
>
> He is SELLING it. You are asking to take it and give it away.
>
> GPL doesn't mean 'free as in beer.'
>
> Of course you can, via the GPL, do this. I'm just saying you shouldn't.
>
> I'll put it this way. If you steal a plugin from WPMU plugins and 
> attempt to put it up in the WordPress.org forums, you will be banned 
> so fast your head will spin. It's not a matter of GPL, it's a matter 
> of humanity. Let us not play Devs against Humanity.
>
> Stuart Matthews <mailto:stuart at islogistics.com>
> September 28, 2012 8:23 AM
> 1) I scoured his website and even the whois records for his email 
> address, couldn't find it. This was a choice of the dev to not be 
> easily found.
> 2) If it is GPLv2 licensed, then it isn't a "jerk" thing to do. The 
> license specifically gives permission to share the software. You can't 
> get nerd credit for using GPL and then not be OK with people sharing 
> the software.
>
> - Stuart
>
>
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