From dougal at gunters.org  Mon Oct  1 15:33:31 2007
From: dougal at gunters.org (Dougal Campbell)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 11:33:31 -0400
Subject: [wp-xmlrpc] Dropping in
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Joseph Scott wrote:
>
> On Sep 28, 2007, at 3:42 PM, Dougal Campbell wrote:
>
>> I thought I'd drop in and see if I could stick my fingers back into WP
>> development for a bit.
>
> Having your input would be terrific!  Some of the historical "whys"
> have been bit difficult to figure out.
>

Most of the time, the answer is probably, "because that's what worked." ;)

>> I don't often have a lot of free time, and consequently, I can sometimes
>> be slow to move on things. But I'd like to try to contribute in whatever
>> ways I can.
>
>
> I've been trying to direct people who are developing clients that work
> with WordPress XML-RPC to this list, with specific patches usually run
> through Trac.  What ever time and input you have would truly be welcomed.

Speaking of clients, are there *any* decent blog clients for Linux?
Darned if I can find one.

I need to make another go at installing Ecto under Wine. I had problems
before, but since then I discovered that I have better success
installing apps from the the emulated DOS shell than trying to do it
directly from linux with something like "wine fooinstaller.exe".

When I was doing the initial development, I used to use Scott Andrew
LePera's online XML-RPC test server for debugging:

  http://www.scottandrew.com/xml-rpc/test-mirror.php

(parent page here: http://www.scottandrew.com/xml-rpc/ )

-- 
Dougal Campbell <dougal at gunters.org <mailto:dougal at gunters.org>>
http://dougal.gunters.org/ <http://dougal.gunters.org>


From joseph at randomnetworks.com  Mon Oct  1 15:43:03 2007
From: joseph at randomnetworks.com (Joseph Scott)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 09:43:03 -0600
Subject: [wp-xmlrpc] Re: [wp-hackers] Looking for more XML-RPC developers
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On Sep 29, 2007, at 8:30 AM, Pixline wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I'm Paolo, almost 29r, the only one surviving founder of Pixline  
> Coding Collective (http://pixline.net), web tweaker since 1998 and  
> actually just a php coder.
>
> I just signed myself into the list, even if I'm not really an  
> experienced xml-rpc developer, but I'm willing to know more and  
> maybe be helpful, as I'm just beginning to work on xml-rpc by  
> myself and I'm quite pleased of its power.
>
> More, I'm going to work hard on xml-rpc in my next working project  
> (in the radio automation and scheduling area, and somehow  related/ 
> linked with WordPress), so I hope to have at least something to say  
> or to contribute in the next future.
>
> Please excuse me if I'll need some time to fit better and be  
> concrete in this list, I'll try to be more than a lurker.
> I've just installed my first xmlrpc blogging client, just to know  
> better what I'm going to play with :-)


Welcome Paolo.  One of the goals of this list is to provide open  
communication to those developing software that talks to WordPress  
via XML-RPC, so we appreciate feedback, bug reports and patches :-)

--
Joseph Scott
http://joseph.randomnetworks.com/




From joseph at randomnetworks.com  Tue Oct  2 16:05:50 2007
From: joseph at randomnetworks.com (Joseph Scott)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 10:05:50 -0600
Subject: [wp-xmlrpc] Dropping in
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On Oct 1, 2007, at 9:33 AM, Dougal Campbell wrote:

>> Having your input would be terrific!  Some of the historical "whys"
>> have been bit difficult to figure out.
>>
>
> Most of the time, the answer is probably, "because that's what  
> worked." ;)


Hehe.  I've discovered that at this point many WordPress clients have  
worked around some of the oddities in the API.


>> I've been trying to direct people who are developing clients that  
>> work
>> with WordPress XML-RPC to this list, with specific patches usually  
>> run
>> through Trac.  What ever time and input you have would truly be  
>> welcomed.
>
> Speaking of clients, are there *any* decent blog clients for Linux?
> Darned if I can find one.


I know there are some out there, or at least there have been in the  
past.  One of these days I'll get Ubuntu or something in a virtual  
machine and try them out.


> I need to make another go at installing Ecto under Wine. I had  
> problems
> before, but since then I discovered that I have better success
> installing apps from the the emulated DOS shell than trying to do it
> directly from linux with something like "wine fooinstaller.exe".
>
> When I was doing the initial development, I used to use Scott Andrew
> LePera's online XML-RPC test server for debugging:
>
>   http://www.scottandrew.com/xml-rpc/test-mirror.php
>
> (parent page here: http://www.scottandrew.com/xml-rpc/ )


Interesting, I've used a Mac app called XML-RPC Client that has  
similar functionality (http://www.ditchnet.org/xmlrpc/).  Matt  
suggested something like the AtomPub APE (http://www.tbray.org/ape/),  
which I think is a good way to go.  We would implement specific  
methods in the test, like metaWeblog.newPost, editPost, deletePost,  
getPost and make sure that the results look correct.  In general this  
could be generic enough that any system that implemented those  
methods would be able to use it, but we've extended some of those  
methods and created new ones that are specific to WordPress.

I haven't started writing this tool, but it is on my list because I  
think it will be a great thing to have going forward.

--
Joseph Scott
http://joseph.randomnetworks.com/




From lloydomattic at gmail.com  Tue Oct  2 16:13:42 2007
From: lloydomattic at gmail.com (Lloyd Budd)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 09:13:42 -0700
Subject: [wp-xmlrpc] Dropping in
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On 10/1/07, Dougal Campbell <dougal at gunters.org> wrote:
>
> >
> > I've been trying to direct people who are developing clients that work
> > with WordPress XML-RPC to this list, with specific patches usually run
> > through Trac.  What ever time and input you have would truly be
> welcomed.
>
> Speaking of clients, are there *any* decent blog clients for Linux?
> Darned if I can find one.


Well which ones have you eliminated from being good?
http://codex.wordpress.org/Weblog_Client

Cheers,
-- 
Lloyd Budd | Digital Entomologist | | Skype:foolswisdom
WordPress.com | WordPress.org | Automattic.com
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From dougal at gunters.org  Tue Oct  2 18:11:22 2007
From: dougal at gunters.org (Dougal Campbell)
Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 14:11:22 -0400
Subject: [wp-xmlrpc] Dropping in
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Joseph Scott wrote:
>
> On Oct 1, 2007, at 9:33 AM, Dougal Campbell wrote:
>
>>> Having your input would be terrific!  Some of the historical "whys"
>>> have been bit difficult to figure out.
>>>
>>
>> Most of the time, the answer is probably, "because that's what
>> worked." ;)
>
>
> Hehe.  I've discovered that at this point many WordPress clients have
> worked around some of the oddities in the API.

I don't remember any specifics off the top of my head, but I do recall
some early testing with Ecto caused me to make some changes. Basically,
Ecto was making some API calls that seemed redundant to me. When I asked
the author about it, he said that he had to do it that way due to the
way that Moveable Type servers actually handled things.

Again, I don't remember the specifics, but you'd probably scratch your
head like I did if you watched the traffic generated by Ecto. I think it
went something like "save the post with publish=false; set categories;
publish post". Whereas, I normally considered this to be a one step
process that could all be handled with just metaWeblog.newPost(),
because that struct can carry category info.

Here's a post on that topic, from the MT point of view:

  http://www.jayallen.org/journey/2003/10/tip_xmlrpc_and_movable_type

I don't recall if this actually caused any problems on the WP end of
things in the early code, but I do know that I thought that the Ecto
author had lost his mind, until he explained that this was how it had to
be done for MT :)

-- 
Dougal Campbell <dougal at gunters.org>
http://dougal.gunters.org/