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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks Christopher,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>It&#8217;s also not just the lack of information
that riled me, but the lack of respect.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Imagine trying to find a lawyer in a
similar way.&nbsp; &#8220;Need a contract for our new recruits.&nbsp; Note: Simple, yeah?&nbsp; Get
back to me with a price and when you can knock it up.&#8221;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I suppose a lot of people aren&#8217;t to know
what is and isn&#8217;t important in specifying overall requirements to a developer
or designer, but they can at least treat us seriously.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Probably doesn&#8217;t help that developers have
a habit of being eager to please and wanting to help.&nbsp; Brings out the worst in
the people that call on us, sometimes.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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Dave<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
Christopher Conlan [mailto:kaboodleventures@gmail.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 25 March 2008 18:16<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> David Coveney; <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">wp-pro@lists.automattic.com</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [wp-pro] Need someone
to upgrade multiple WP sites</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Couldn't agree more David -- I'd love to help you out on that
one.&nbsp; The best part for the &quot;consumer&quot; is that the more
information they can give us, regardless of whether it's a NEW site or a touch
up job, the less expensive it's going to be for them, and the faster they'll
receive the deliverables exactly how they want them -- plus, we might actually
have a better way of doing it since we tend to live, breathe, and would if we
could eat WP (I hear a new plug-in will be availble soon for that though based
upon MySQLunch!).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Christopher Conlan<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Kaboodle Ventures<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><a href="http://www.web30technology.com/">www.web30technology.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 11:11 AM, David Coveney &lt;<a
href="mailto:david@interconnectit.com">david@interconnectit.com</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>I'm sorry but it's not 'simple enough'.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>What plugins, what WordPress versions (from and to), what
themes, and so on.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>All I could quote for this is our standard hourly rate.&nbsp;
You never know &#8211; might take five hours, might take fifty.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>I've been debating writing a blog post (our blog is <a
href="http://www.liverpoolwebdesigner.com/" target="_blank">http://www.liverpoolwebdesigner.com</a>)
on the subject of how to hire a WordPress professional.&nbsp; I have a feeling
that many out there are looking for simple solutions to what are often
complicated problems.&nbsp; Messages like this which state things like
&quot;simple enough&quot; and &quot;knock it out&quot; suggest that this is a
straightforward and easy thing to do based on almost no information.&nbsp; Real
professionals don't just &quot;knock out&quot; their work.&nbsp; In something
like this a real pro would be looking at the versions involved, checking or
advising on what issues there (do they need to stage the upgrades, for
example), taking database and server snapshots and so on.&nbsp; Then there's
the issue of malformed content (in particular special characters), which can
get messed up during an upgrade &#8211; will you want this to be corrected or are you
happy to search through and find these yourself?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>Sorry to come across all tetchy.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'><br>
Dave Coveney</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>Interconnect IT</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <a
href="mailto:wp-pro-bounces@lists.automattic.com" target="_blank">wp-pro-bounces@lists.automattic.com</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:wp-pro-bounces@lists.automattic.com" target="_blank">wp-pro-bounces@lists.automattic.com</a>]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Ink Trails<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 25 March 2008 17:55<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <a
href="mailto:wp-pro@lists.automattic.com" target="_blank">wp-pro@lists.automattic.com</a><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [wp-pro] Need someone to
upgrade multiple WP sites</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Need
someone to upgrade multiple WP sites. Note: I need for all the plug-ins to
function properly. Simple enough, right? Get back to me with price per and how
soon you'd be able to knock it out.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Thanks,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Jason</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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