<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>If you reread this page <a href="http://codex.wordpress.org/Mailing_Lists">http://codex.wordpress.org/Mailing_Lists</a>, you will see there are many many different types of mailing lists in operation. There is a lists just for Documentation just for people who are involved in documenting parts of the WordPress sytem. This is not a support list. You would not expect to see a question there about how to write a Widget. </div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>Similarly the wp-pro lists is not a support list. As the paragraph read:</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(45, 45, 45); font-family: Georgia; font-size: 15px; "><h3 style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; font-weight: normal; "><span class="mw-headline">Professional</span></h3><p style="line-height: 22px; ">Sometimes there are professional consulting opportunities surrounding some aspect of the WordPress codebase for people who are familiar with the program. This list is for people looking for WordPress consulting to connect with professionals who provide it. This is the list for you if you are looking for professional paid help regarding WordPress</p></span></div><div><br></div><div>MY interpretation of the description of this list is it's not a support list. There are other sections on the Mailing_Lists page where you can subscribe to support lists. The wp-pro list (and again this is MY interpretation) is to connect those seeking and willing to pay for work. The wp-pro list is not somewhere where I would expect a long drawn out thread of how to do something in WordPress. There are support lists for this. The basic posts to this list are something like "I need a custom Widget/Theme/Plugin. Willing to pay $XXX. Contact me at ....". The developers like myself don't replay back to the list the reply is direct back to the potential client because we are now in a bidding process for the work. I'm a freelance developer and work mostly in WordPress these days. I rely on the wp-pro list to be a simple list where I can get new work. </div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>Again, this list is not really meant to be a 'community' in that people exchange a lot of ideas and concerns. If you want 'alive' then subscribe to the wp-hackers list and read through the pages or rants (sometimes) about the smallest little change to the WordPress admin interface coming up in WP 2.5. Or the changes to the File Upload code to use Flash instead of the iframe. </div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>P-</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><br><div><div>On Feb 21, 2008, at 1:51 PM, Miriam Schwab wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">I personally would like to see this list become a little bit more...alive.<br>Right now it's quiet for a few days and then someone sends out a request for<br>work, and then silence.<br><br>I'm on a few amazing mailing lists on a variety of topics, including the<br>Israeli WordPress Google group, and these lists are really active and useful<br>because people help each other out.<br><br>Basically, the lists become a type of community where people post requests<br>for advice, and lots of people respond to the list with their answers.<br><br>For example, this week someone on the Israeli WordPress list desperately<br>needed a way to enable his users to have comments turn up in his search<br>results. So I responded with a recommendation for the Search Everything<br>Plugin. Two minutes investment on my part, he got his answer, and maybe<br>others found that plugin useful too.<br><br>For those of you who don't want to spend time helping others since you don't<br>get anything out of it, I have news for you: you do get something out of it:<br><br>1. You help build up a vibrant community so that when you need assistance or<br>have a question, you have someplace to turn.<br>2. If you put your signature in every response, you can build up your<br>reputation as an expert in the field.<br><br>Just an idea.<br><br>Miriam<br><a href="http://www.wordpressgarage.com">www.wordpressgarage.com</a><br><br><br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: wp-pro-bounces@lists.automattic.com<br>[mailto:wp-pro-bounces@lists.automattic.com] On Behalf Of PJ Brunet<br>Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 9:26 PM<br>To: wp-pro@lists.automattic.com<br>Subject: [wp-pro] Re: wp-pro Digest, Vol 32, Issue 14<br><br><br>I've been on the list much longer and you're right, it's like a tech support<br>list but with a little money involved. You won't find complex/interesting<br>work on this list, there's no sign of that changing yet. It's always "I'm<br>stuck on an install" or "my plugins are broken" and you're right about the<br>ever-popular "should be simple to fix" comments. <br><br>You never see, "I have this new idea, I want to hack Wordpress to do xyz."<br>or "I want to use Wordpress to browse my database of widgets." or "I need a<br>custom stats plugin to track the performance of xyz." I have a feeling that<br>kind of work is out there, just not on this list. <br><br>PJ<br><br><br><blockquote type="cite"> I've subscribed to this list for a month. It's<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">funny. <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> So many cheapskates that want to pay fast food wages<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> for tech skills they obviously lack themselves. Every<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">other post<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> says "shouldn't take more than 10 minutes" or "it's<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">basic, but I<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> don't have the time myself" or some such malarkey.<br></blockquote>_______________________________________________<br>wp-pro mailing list<br>wp-pro@lists.automattic.com<br>http://lists.automattic.com/mailman/listinfo/wp-pro<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>wp-pro mailing list<br>wp-pro@lists.automattic.com<br>http://lists.automattic.com/mailman/listinfo/wp-pro<br></blockquote></div><br><div apple-content-edited="true"> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>Paul Menard</div><div><a href="mailto:paul@codehooligans.com">paul@codehooligans.com</a></div><div><a href="http://codehooligans.com">http://codehooligans.com</a></div></div></span> </div><br></div></body></html>