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<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Woah, guys, this doesn't
need to get personal.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>If someone needs help and
won't/can't pay a lot of money for it, that's fine. They can advertise, and they
may find someone who will help, or they may not. Or they may find someone who
does crap work for that pay. That's their problem, and you can just ignore
them. There may be people who are happy to do this work, since it takes them a
few minutes and it gives them some extra income.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>There are some WordPress
communities where people will actually help others with their WordPress sites
for free! It's an idealistic thing. Here in <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Israel</st1:place></st1:country-region>, I've seen people on the
Hebrew WordPress mailing list ask for help, and have other people volunteer
their time to get them out of their jams. I'm not saying it's for everyone (I'm
not a WordPress volunteer type, I charge for my work), but it exists.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>So, it is legitimate for
people dealing with WordPress to charge rates that they feel reflect their
value. If Tom can get those rates, great. It is also legitimate for people to try
to get people to do work for them within their budget, however miniscule, and
it is legitimate for people to agree or disagree to do the work for those
rates. We live in a global market, and I don't think we can dictate to people
what kind of work they should take on.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Miriam<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><a
href="http://www.wordpressgarage.com/">www.wordpressgarage.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:windowtext'> wp-pro-bounces@lists.automattic.com
[mailto:wp-pro-bounces@lists.automattic.com] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Jordon Bedwell<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, February 21, 2008
9:49 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Tim Kissane; WP-Pro<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [wp-pro] 2 WP
Installs for 10 bucks</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><font size=3 color=black face="Trebuchet MS"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS"'>WTF. Dude. Calm
down. It would only take 10 minutes and if you call yourself a
professional and can't do two upgrades in 10 minutes quit your job because you
fail... I believe at your hourly wages for Wordpress he would be over paying
you for the 10 minutes. Whip out that fancy TI-86 you never learned to
program and calculate it. If you need me to teach you how to program
a TI-86 go ahead and call me, I'll teach you - also, if you need me to
teach you to add and subtract get at me too. Perhaps he should offer your
actual wage. $7.5 for the 10 minutes. Not that you are worth it since you
are the typical "I am an elitest" type of guy.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><font size=3 color=black face="Trebuchet MS"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS"'>On another note, with a
site like yours, you shouldn't be designing shit, it looks like your site is
stuck in 1999. *Whips out Prince CDs and starts playing 1999*. You NEED
to go back to art school and learn what design is. Maybe fix some of the
problems on your site. "var AdBrite_Title_Color = '006600'; var
AdBrite_Text_Color = 'ffffff'; var AdBrite_Background_Color = '7da6da'; var
AdBrite_Border_Color = '7da6da';" - about_us.html, maybe you could even
help me figure out why the hell a commercial site that offers services such as
yours would have adverts on their site? Very professional, I would hire you at
$5.65 an hour, and only for a pee-on job pulling tape drives from servers for a
client.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><font size=3 color=black face="Trebuchet MS"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS"'>You are far from a pro Mr.
Kissane. A few questions Mr. "Professional":</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><font size=3 color=black face="Trebuchet MS"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS"'>1.) WTF is "</<span
class=end-tag>ulpt</span><span class=attribute-name> type</span>=<span
class=attribute-value>"text/javascript"</span>>" - I suggest
you get that fixed before you look like a moron who charges $45 an hour to
horribly misspell script.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><font size=3 color=black face="Trebuchet MS"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS"'>2.) Why are you lying to
your customers? <a
href="http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Ftimbury.net%2Ftcs%2Fabout_us.html">http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Ftimbury.net%2Ftcs%2Fabout_us.html</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><font size=3 color=black face="Trebuchet MS"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS"'>3.) For somebody who
promotes to be a pro, why are you still using HTML 4.0 and how the hell do you
manage to mess up HTML 4.0? That has to be the most ill-semantic, easy to do
language in the world.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><font size=3 color=black face="Trebuchet MS"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS"'>a.) I've seen 11th graders
in graphics design skills build better HTML. Sad, but true.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><font size=3 color=black face="Trebuchet MS"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS"'>Now, I know my site isn't
perfect and nobodies is, but nobody talks about how great they are and makes
that many mistakes. Especially while demanding they are worth so much but
have made intern mistakes. I hope you've enjoyed my professional opinion on the
subject.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS"'>Yours truly,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS"'>en-US.EnvyGeeks.Com</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2
color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a href="mailto:tim@timbury.net"
title="tim@timbury.net">Tim Kissane</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:shaunconnell@gmail.com" title="shaunconnell@gmail.com">Shaun R.
Connell</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:wp-pro@lists.automattic.com" title="wp-pro@lists.automattic.com">wp-pro@lists.automattic.com</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Thursday, February
21, 2008 12:34 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Re:
[wp-pro] 2 WP Installs for 10 bucks<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>I've subscribed to this list for a month. It's funny. <br>
So many cheapskates that want to pay fast food wages <br>
for tech skills they obviously lack themselves. Every other post<br>
says "shouldn't take more than 10 minutes" or "it's basic, but I<br>
don't have the time myself" or some such malarkey. <br>
<br>
I'm a computer professional with 25 years experience. I get<br>
$150./hour as a consultant. Because WordPress work is less<br>
demanding than network management, I charge $45./hour for<br>
themes and $75./hour for backend stuff. <br>
<br>
My advice to you, Mr. Connell: find some 14 year old to jump<br>
at your 10 bucks and keep your fingers crossed. Or learn to<br>
do it yourself. Then, when you've f*cked it up royally, cough<br>
up some money and hire a pro.<br>
<br>
Tim Kissane<br>
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Shaun R. Connell wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>I know it shouldn't take more than 10 minutes, but I
still need help with the installs. :P I'll pay 10 bucks for two installs
-- same host.<br clear=all>
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style='font-size:10.0pt'>-- <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre dir=LTR><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Tim Kissane<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
dir=LTR><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Timbury Computer Services<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre dir=LTR><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><a
href="http://timkissane.com/">http://timkissane.com/</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
dir=LTR><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><a href="http://timbury.net/">http://timbury.net/</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
dir=LTR><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>732.604.3817<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre dir=LTR><font size=2
color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>=========================<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
dir=LTR><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>"More hideous crimes have been committed in the name of obedience than in the name of rebellion." -- CP Snow<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre
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