[wp-hackers] WordPress Maturity (was)Re: hate

[Mike Schinkel]

On Apr 30, 2013, at 1:51 PM, SCOTT TAYLOR <scott.c.taylor at mac.com> wrote:
> If you feel so passionately about these issues, channel that disdain for the status quo into Trac tickets and patches and see them through til they are committed. That is quite literally the only way to affect core.

The problem is that most effort channelled into Trac tickets gets ignored.  I'd be surprised if 15% of the 62 issues I've raised on Trac with a patch[1] has actually been addressed somehow. And most of the ones marked "fixed" didn't actually address the issue I raised.

> I am a member of this mailing list too, and 98% of the emails are about something that should be in the support forums or someone whining.

With the other communication channels added over the past few years there's become little reason to use this list anymore. Probably the one reason is to discuss issues like this.

> For anyone, if you *need* help, probably use Support forums. If you *want* to help, PLEASE come to Trac.If WordPress sucks and you have figured it out and everyone else is doing it wrong, I'm sorry, but I can't hear you over your lack of patches in Trac. 

Many (most?) people who come to Trac with patches in my experience do not have their efforts rewarded with fixes in core.  Patches on Trac are not a panacea.

I understand that it is not reasonable to expect all Trac tickets to be resolved to the reporters satisfaction, but it's also not reasonable to present Trac as the cure-all when issues are raised about project governance.  

There are real concerns, expressed in respectful ways by people like Harry and Shasta; treating all people who raise the issues as whiny problem makers does not help.

-Mike

[1] http://core.trac.wordpress.org/query?reporter=~MikeSchinkel&groupdesc=1&group=resolution&order=priority