[wp-hackers] Caching as part of the core

[Jesse Friedman]

Shouldn't the WordPress 80/20 Rule apply here? Not everything is built into
core for a reason. There are thousands of features that *some* users need
and oddly enough there are thousands of plugins available to support those
needs.

Jesse

On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 12:06 AM, Otto <otto at ottodestruct.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 6:11 PM, Bryan Petty <bpetty at bluehost.com> wrote:
> > Ok... so now you'll admit that the Transients API has high overhead, is
> > difficult to use, and is in-appropriate for page or fragment caching.
> > You also admit that the dropins are "hacky as heck".
> >
> > However, you'll still tell me that's what I should use when I so much as
> > suggest that WP_Object_Cache could be expanded (in a 100% backwards
> > compatible way) to support persistent cache backends in core like it
> > used to, but done the right way this time.
>
> No, I tell you that it's appropriate to implement persistent cache
> backends *for your specific needs*. It shouldn't be in core. It should
> be done on a per-host, per-server, per-setup basis.
>
> There's no universal answers here. Core can't implement persistent
> caching in a universal way that doesn't have downsides.
>
>
> > How about this...
> >
> > What if the Transients API was converted over to a WP_Object_Cache
> > backend, and used as the default fallback instead of the file backend if
> > none of the accelerators are available (APC/XCache/WinCache)?
>
> Implementing the object, or the transients, cache as a file backend is
> a *proven* loser. It sucks. Royally. On the majority of hosts. Search
> for the arguments over 5 years ago to find proof.
>
> If you want to write it for your particular set of hosting
> capabilities, then by all means do so. As a plugin. Convince more
> people that your solution fits the 80/20 rule. Then, you have a shot
> at core. Fit the majority case.
>
> I'm not saying I'm right, or that I have any form of control over it,
> because I don't. I'm just saying that you need to *prove* that you are
> right. See, I don't control what goes into core, not by a long shot.
> I'm just one of the few who knows how it works and who is more than
> happy to tell you what you need to do. PROVE IT. Then you have a shot.
> Right now, a whole lot of people whom I've talked to about it on
> multiple occasions thinks that the evidence is against you. Prove me
> wrong. Show me that you're right. Stats. Numbers. Code. This sort of
> yap-yap goes nowhere, it's just me arguing with you. But if you show
> improvement, if you can show, empirically, that you have the right
> answer, then everybody will back you.
>
> This is open source. You don't get anywhere without code that actually
> gets the job done, man.
>
> -Otto
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