[wp-hackers] Two new, long-overdue plugins to make your wordpress life a little easier...

[Jonathan Bailey]

I suspect the core conflict is that there are two groups using Wordpress for
different purposes.

In other words this not a "best practices" discussion but a requirements
discussion.

It might be more productive to delve into that angle.  What are the two
groups using the software for?

For example I don't have much use at all for feed readers, but go through
the dev/stage/live swap with frequency.

On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Kevin Miller <kevin at p51labs.com> wrote:

> Hi Guys-
>
> What is your process for moving sites from stage to production?   I do it
> all the time and it takes me about 5 min or less regardless of the urls.
> If anything, the only thing that takes more time is moving over any user
> uploaded files but thats still pretty easy with tools like git or rsync.
>
> By the way, interesting points in this thread :)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kevin
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Dan Smart <dan at dansmart.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > +1
> >
> > (thanks for writing that, especially regarding staging/test sites. I
> can't
> > imagine I could trust any of my clients to touch a hosts file, even if
> it's
> > easy for techies to do.)
> >
> > Seriously - most of my clients can't understand why I have to do a load
> of
> > work to move from staging to production, when their experience of other
> CMS
> > systems leads them to think it should be a 5 min job, and to be fair,
> most
> > of the reasons for full URLs are from a single perspective. I love
> > WordPress, but this is one of those things that I regularly have to
> battle
> > against, rather than it just working for me and my clients' sites.
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > On 28 Oct 2011, at 19:32, Robert Lusby <nanogwp at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On 28/10/2011 17:44, Otto wrote:
> > >> On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Marcus Pope<
> Marcus.Pope at springbox.com>
> >  wrote:
> > >>> Blown away by the dozens of posts from Core WP developers that root
> > relative urls are not possible
> > >> A fully qualified URL works every time, everywhere. It's easily parsed
> > >> by search engines. It works in feed readers. It works no matter where
> > >> your content is displayed.
> > >>
> > >> You most certainly *can* use relative URLs. You just *shouldn't*.
> > >>
> > >> -Otto
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> > >
> > > I disagree on a number of points - once again.
> > >
> > > While writing this I've just seen "because you might write a book"
> listed
> > as a reason for not changing. Seriously?
> > >
> > > Relative URL's change. Sites change domain. Your entire DB is then out
> of
> > date.
> > >
> > > Also - access on different platforms can often end up using different
> > URL's - if I want my content avaiable in my native iOS application, I
> have
> > to "strip out" the URLs, and replace them with ones that keep the user
> > within my native application (rather than the web browser).
> > >
> > > Although I feel "because you might write a book", is the poorest reason
> > ever, what if I want my book readers to have access to a local version of
> > the website (.co.uk VS .com) etc ...?
> > >
> > > As stressed many times before - relative URL's *don't* break things for
> > anyone.
> > >
> > > If need-be: I'd love for this feature to go to a vote - and be decided
> > that way.
> > >
> > > I beg of the core team to re-think this - the DB overhead that's added
> on
> > our enterprise sites.....
> > >
> > > Otto - how do you show clients your test site? I'm sorry but you can't
> > call that staging method wrong. Working with a big blue-chip, approval
> often
> > has to be acheived from a number of different teams/companies, before
> part
> > of a website can go live - WITHOUT STOPPING THEIR ACCESS to the current
> live
> > site. Do you want me to go round and change the DNS/Host files for *all*
> of
> > these users in often 4/5 different companies? If so - then please also
> > explain how do they access the current live site?
> > >
> > > DB changes are the only way - yes it can be automated. But why should
> it
> > be. Just because you might write a book?
> > >
> > > Rob
> > >
> > >
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