[wp-hackers] HTML in the visual editor

Mika A Epstein ipstenu at ipstenu.org
Fri Oct 28 15:15:36 UTC 2011 

Some of us use WP to blog about code.  I use the HTML editor when I do that, which is a hassle, but there you are.


On Oct 28, 2011, at 8:29 AM, "Preston Fitzgerald" <Preston.Fitzgerald at MentorEnterprisesInc.com> wrote:

> I don't have much love for the visual editor either, but I don't disable it.
> If I find that I'm dumping a bunch of code into posts or pages I stop and
> realize I am doing it wrong.
> 
> Wordpress is all about the templates. Using templates and shortcodes to
> include html makes much more sense for the way I use the software. Maybe I'm
> being naïve?
> 
> Preston Fitzgerald
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> Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:35:01 -0400
> From: Rick Maltese <okfrank at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [wp-hackers] Two new, long-overdue plugins to make your
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> Thanks for the effort.
> 
> Just tried to install and preserved-html-editor-markup won't activate.
> 
> Rick Maltese
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>> 
>> On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 10:45 PM, Marcus Pope
> <Marcus.Pope at springbox.com>wrote:
>> 
>>> In the past I have lightly managed and tweaked some wordpress installs
>>> and as a result I was put on a project at my current company Springbox
>>> that was a full site development. ?Through the course of that project
>>> and then two more I quickly realized two things:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 1. ? ? ? Wordpress is an amazing platform for rapid web development
>>> 
>>> 2. ? ? ? The use of Absolute URLs, and how poorly the Visual / HTML
> Editor
>>> behaved made it a nightmare to work with as a professional platform.
>>> 
>>> Blown away by the dozens of posts from Core WP developers that root
>>> relative urls are not possible, and after trying to do all of their
>>> suggestions to resolve my problem with none of them actually working I
>>> almost gave up on the platform entirely. ?And the ludicrous concept
>>> that in order to prevent your html markup from being corrupted by the
>>> visual tab you should just disable the visual tab altogether was
>>> almost the nail in the coffin.
>>> 
>>> Alas, I don't shy away from a challenge and having over 15 years of
>>> experience with enterprise web development, and over 5 years of
>>> experience with developing my own WYSIWYG editors and extending others
>>> like tinyMCE, fckedit I realized these problems were not unsolvable.
>>> So I've spent the last three weeks hacking away at the problem and
>>> here's what I have to offer
>>> you:
>>> 
>>> http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/preserved-html-editor-markup/
>>> 
>>> http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/root-relative-urls/
>>> 
>>> They are not perfect, and I will spend more time polishing them up.
>>> They do work as advertised, as we have upgraded our past projects to
>>> work with them. ?And ultimately they seem to be the only solutions to
>>> top requests from the community for years, which kind of shocks me.
>>> 
>>> Combined they actually make wordpress a dream to work with - sure it
>>> still has its quirks here and there, but the root-relative-urls plugin
>>> even accounts for links and media as they are embedded into the now
>>> usable wysiwyg/html editor.
>>> 
>>> Check them out, let me know what you think. ?Ideally I'd re-architect
>>> the whole damn components in the WP core, but alas you know how that
>>> goes :D ?They were sort of sponsored by Springbox - the company I work
>>> for - in that I got to use my free time at work to create them, and I
>>> put in a few hours a week at night (like tonight) to finish them up.
>>> We don't have a landing page on springbox.com yet, nor do we even have
>>> a support infrastructure for handling requests, but I'll do my best to
>>> keep up with the questions and the projects.
>>> 
>>> Being a service-based agency, product development isn't a core
>>> strategy so I might be non-responsive at times when workloads are high
>>> - clients first of course - but I'm now personally vested in this
>>> platform and would like to see it continue to excel.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Marcus Pope
>>> Senior Software Developer
>>> Springbox.com
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> Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 10:33:25 +0100
> From: Robert Lusby <nanogwp at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [wp-hackers] Two new, long-overdue plugins to make your
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> On 28/10/2011 02:45, Marcus Pope wrote:
>> 
>> Blown away by the dozens of posts from Core WP developers that root
> relative urls are not possible, and after trying to do all of their
> suggestions to resolve my problem with none of them actually working I
> almost gave up on the platform entirely.  And the ludicrous concept that in
> order to prevent your html markup from being corrupted by the visual tab you
> should just disable the visual tab altogether was almost the nail in the
> coffin.
> 
> One day we all dream that the core team might finally see the light.
> 
> For WordPress to be a serious enterprise platform - it needs to make 
> some serious enterprise changes.
> 
> Relative URL's would work for everyone - absolute URLs make things 
> difficult for us enterprise lot (discounting that DB data should be kept 
> clean - not containing URLs yardy da ... etc).
> 
> I have a dream. We can but hope.
> 
> Rob
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