[wp-hackers] WP 3.1 admin bar

Chip Bennett chip at chipbennett.net
Thu Feb 17 17:39:20 UTC 2011

I realize the decision was made some time ago, and arguing against it is
pointless (which is why I haven't).

I think there is merit, though, in the suggestion that the feature be turned
ON by default for NEW installations, and turned OFF by default for upgrades.
As a matter of principle, upgrades should not be changing users' already
established configurations - even if the change comes from a new feature.

But, that is all water under the bridge at this point. If I choose not to
use the Admin Bar, I know how to disable it.


On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Otto <otto at ottodestruct.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Mark E <mark at simplercomputing.net>
> wrote:
> > On 02/17/2011 09:49 AM, Otto wrote:
> >> No, what it amounts to is that it's too late in the cycle to be
> >> requesting changes like this. The admin bar has been worked on for
> >> several months now. If you wanted input on it being off by default,
> >> you should have said so at least 3 months ago.
> >
> > This is last thing I'll say on the topic since this isn't the place to
> > discuss it: What is lacking in the dev team is a certain kind of thinking
> > capacity. That's not a complaint. It's objective observation that ought
> to
> > be taken as constructive criticism.
> For the record, I disagree with you and think it should be on by
> default. This isn't a lack in my "thinking capacity", this is just me
> flat out disagreeing with you.
> I'm sorry that you think that is going to cause you headaches with
> clients. I'm thinking more about having the admin bar appear to all
> users, everywhere. If you having to tell people how to turn it off is
> a problem, well, too bad. That's your problem with your customers that
> you will have to deal with. I think it is more important to have the
> feature active and visible than to avoid your minor customer service
> problems.
> Features that are off by default are rarely turned on. I saw somewhere
> that new features which default to off get used less than 5% of the
> time (Firefox, maybe? Not sure there). Whereas features that default
> to on get something like 90% of people not bothering to turn it off.
> Heck, even people who have used WordPress for quite a long time don't
> know about the "Screen Options" or "Help" dropdowns on the admin
> screens. They're too hidden. Things should be up front and visible if
> you want them to get used.
> You don't like the admin bar. I get that. But I like it and I think
> most people will like it. Therefore it's on and it should be on and it
> should default to on and that's just the way I see it.
> -Otto
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