[wp-hackers] front-page.php always overrides home.php?
William Davis
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Fri Nov 19 21:41:29 UTC 2010
Haha, well in 3.1 there now are custom post formats as well.
Custom post type would be nice as custom object types, imo.
William P. Davis
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On Nov 19, 2010, at 4:37 PM, Chip Bennett wrote:
> Just wait until I get the gumption up to suggest replacing the
> "Custom Post
> Type" nomenclature with "Custom Content Type"! ;)
>
> Chip
>
> On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 3:32 PM, Chris Gossmann <chris at wupperpiraten.de
> >wrote:
>
>> Don't do that. I spent too much time explaining the Thematic users
>> the
>> difference between the two functions ;)
>>
>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>> Von: wp-hackers-bounces at lists.automattic.com [mailto:wp-hackers-
>>> bounces at lists.automattic.com] Im Auftrag von Chip Bennett
>>> Gesendet: Freitag, 19. November 2010 22:25
>>> An: wp-hackers at lists.automattic.com
>>> Betreff: Re: [wp-hackers] front-page.php always overrides home.php?
>>>
>>> Maybe I should just write up the patch, and see what kind of
>>> reception
>>> it
>>> gets?
>>>
>>> The worst anyone can do is say "wontfix". :)
>>>
>>> Chip
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 3:21 PM, Chris Gossmann
>>> <chris at wupperpiraten.de>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Don't know .. for me is_front_page() was always the entry page and
>>> is_home
>>>> was always the page showing the blog posts ( the home of your
>>>> blog).
>>>>
>>>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>>>> Von: wp-hackers-bounces at lists.automattic.com [mailto:wp-hackers-
>>>>> bounces at lists.automattic.com] Im Auftrag von Chip Bennett
>>>>> Gesendet: Freitag, 19. November 2010 22:15
>>>>> An: wp-hackers at lists.automattic.com
>>>>> Betreff: Re: [wp-hackers] front-page.php always overrides
>>>>> home.php?
>>>>>
>>>>> Exactly!
>>>>>
>>>>> So "home.php" ISN'T "home". It's simply the blog-index (posts-
>>> index),
>>>>> whether on the front page or another page.
>>>>>
>>>>> front-page.php and is_front_page() cover all of the uses of
>>> home.php
>>>>> and
>>>>> is_home() for both posts-index-as-home and static-page-as-home -
>>> which
>>>>> is
>>>>> why I'm suggesting to rename "home.php" and "is_home()" to
>>> something
>>>>> more
>>>>> accurate.
>>>>>
>>>>> Make sense, or am I still off-base?
>>>>>
>>>>> Chip
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Chris Gossmann
>>>>> <chris at wupperpiraten.de>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ok .. did a test:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you have a standard installation without any special setting
>>> under
>>>>>> wp-admin / settings / reading:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Front-page.php will be used as your entry page. Home.php isn't
>>> used
>>>>> at all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you define a page as Front page and a page as Posts page under
>>> wp-
>>>>> admin
>>>>>> /
>>>>>> settings / reading:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Front-page.php will be used for Front page and home.php for your
>>>>> Posts
>>>>>> page.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>>>>>> Von: wp-hackers-bounces at lists.automattic.com [mailto:wp-
>>> hackers-
>>>>>>> bounces at lists.automattic.com] Im Auftrag von Chip Bennett
>>>>>>> Gesendet: Freitag, 19. November 2010 21:58
>>>>>>> An: wp-hackers at lists.automattic.com
>>>>>>> Betreff: Re: [wp-hackers] front-page.php always overrides
>>> home.php?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not confusing the two, as far as I know.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Simple question: if "front-page.php" and "home.php" template
>>> files
>>>>> both
>>>>>>> exist in a Theme, under what conditions will "home.php" be used
>>> on
>>>>> the
>>>>>>> home/front page of the site using that Theme?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chip
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Chris Gossmann
>>>>>>> <chris at wupperpiraten.de>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Seems as if you're mixing up front-page.php and front page
>>>>> template
>>>>>>> :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The existence of a front-page.php will always enforce the use
>>> of
>>>>> this
>>>>>>> file
>>>>>>>> as entry page of your blog. A front page template is a
>>> template
>>>>> file
>>>>>>> with a
>>>>>>>> different name that is activated by creating a page using
>>> this
>>>>>>> template and
>>>>>>>> the according settings under wp-admin / settings / reading.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>>>>>>>> Von: wp-hackers-bounces at lists.automattic.com [mailto:wp-
>>>>> hackers-
>>>>>>>>> bounces at lists.automattic.com] Im Auftrag von Chip Bennett
>>>>>>>>> Gesendet: Freitag, 19. November 2010 21:27
>>>>>>>>> An: wp-hackers at lists.automattic.com
>>>>>>>>> Betreff: Re: [wp-hackers] front-page.php always overrides
>>>>> home.php?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Chris.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But, does that make sense?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If a Theme includes both template files "front-page.php"
>>> and
>>>>>>>>> "home.php", the
>>>>>>>>> Blog index will display differently, depending on user
>>>>> settings:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If Blog (i.e. "posts") is set to display on the front page,
>>>>> then
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> Blog
>>>>>>>>> index will use "front-page.php"; however, if the front page
>>> is
>>>>> set
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> display a static Page, and the Blog set to display on a
>>> non-
>>>>> front
>>>>>>> Page,
>>>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>>> the Blog index will use "home.php".
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That seems inconsistent (and confusing) to me:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1) Blog display will be different depending on location
>>>>> setting,
>>>>>>> rather
>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>> by content type (Page vs Post)
>>>>>>>>> 2) "*home*.php" is potentially used for a non-home page.
>>>>>>>>> 3) "front-*page*.php" is used for both Pages and Posts.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've not poked around Trac yet; does anyone know if any
>>> related
>>>>>>> tickets
>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>> been opened? I think some of this needs some cleaning-up.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chip
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Chris Gossmann
>>>>>>>>> <chris at wupperpiraten.de>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Chip,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> this is the correct behavior.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Front-page is always the front page / first page, whereas
>>>>> home
>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>> home / first page or whatever you defined to show your
>>>>> regular
>>>>>>> posts.
>>>>>>>>>> Therefore front-page.php will override home.php.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>>>>>>>>>> Von: wp-hackers-bounces at lists.automattic.com
>>> [mailto:wp-
>>>>>>> hackers-
>>>>>>>>>>> bounces at lists.automattic.com] Im Auftrag von Chip
>>> Bennett
>>>>>>>>>>> Gesendet: Freitag, 19. November 2010 20:38
>>>>>>>>>>> An: wp-hackers at lists.automattic.com
>>>>>>>>>>> Betreff: [wp-hackers] front-page.php always overrides
>>>>> home.php?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If a Theme defines both a "home.php" template file (for
>>> a
>>>>>>> custom
>>>>>>>>> "home"
>>>>>>>>>>> page
>>>>>>>>>>> displaying Posts) and a "front-page.php" template file
>>> (for
>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> custom
>>>>>>>>>>> "home"
>>>>>>>>>>> page displaying a static Page), it appears that "front-
>>>>>>> page.php"
>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>> always
>>>>>>>>>>> take precedence over "home.php":
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Here's the definition of
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> is_front_page()<http://core.trac.wordpress.org/browser/tags/3.0.1/
>>> wp-
>>>>>>>>>>> includes/query.php#L353>
>>>>>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 344 /**
>>>>>>>>>>> 345 * Whether current page query is the front of the
>>> site.
>>>>>>>>>>> 346 *
>>>>>>>>>>> 347 * @since 2.5.0
>>>>>>>>>>> 348 * @uses is_home()
>>>>>>>>>>> 349 * @uses get_option()
>>>>>>>>>>> 350 *
>>>>>>>>>>> 351 * @return bool True, if front of site.
>>>>>>>>>>> 352 */
>>>>>>>>>>> 353 function is_front_page() {
>>>>>>>>>>> 354 // most likely case
>>>>>>>>>>> *355 if ( 'posts' ==
>>> get_option('show_on_front') &&
>>>>>>>>> is_home()
>>>>>>>>>>> )*
>>>>>>>>>>> 356 return true;
>>>>>>>>>>> 357 elseif ( 'page' ==
>>> get_option('show_on_front')
>>>>> &&
>>>>>>>>>>> get_option('page_on_front') &&
>>>>>>> is_page(get_option('page_on_front'))
>>>>>>>>> )
>>>>>>>>>>> 358 return true;
>>>>>>>>>>> 359 else
>>>>>>>>>>> 360 return false;
>>>>>>>>>>> 361 }
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And then here's the relevant code from the template
>>>>>>>>>>> loader<http://core.trac.wordpress.org/browser/trunk/wp-
>>>>>>>>>>> includes/template-loader.php#L21>
>>>>>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 21 if ( defined('WP_USE_THEMES') && WP_USE_THEMES ) :
>>>>>>>>>>> 22 $template = false;
>>>>>>>>>>> 23 if ( is_404() && $template =
>>>>>>>>>>> get_404_template()
>>>>>>>>>>> ) :
>>>>>>>>>>> 24 elseif ( is_search() && $template =
>>>>>>>>>>> get_search_template()
>>>>>>>>>>> ) :
>>>>>>>>>>> 25 elseif ( is_tax() && $template =
>>>>>>>>>>> get_taxonomy_template() ) :
>>>>>>>>>>> *26 elseif ( is_front_page() && $template =
>>>>>>>>>>> get_front_page_template() ) :*
>>>>>>>>>>> *27 elseif ( is_home() && $template =
>>>>>>>>>>> get_home_template()
>>>>>>>>>>> ) :*
>>>>>>>>>>> 28 elseif ( is_attachment() && $template =
>>>>>>>>>>> get_attachment_template() ) :
>>>>>>>>>>> 29 remove_filter('the_content',
>>>>>>>>> 'prepend_attachment');
>>>>>>>>>>> 30 elseif ( is_single() && $template =
>>>>>>>>>>> get_single_template()
>>>>>>>>>>> ) :
>>>>>>>>>>> 31 elseif ( is_page() && $template =
>>>>>>>>>>> get_page_template()
>>>>>>>>>>> ) :
>>>>>>>>>>> 32 elseif ( is_category() && $template =
>>>>>>>>>>> get_category_template() ) :
>>>>>>>>>>> 33 elseif ( is_tag() && $template =
>>>>>>>>>>> get_tag_template()
>>>>>>>>>>> ) :
>>>>>>>>>>> 34 elseif ( is_author() && $template =
>>>>>>>>>>> get_author_template()
>>>>>>>>>>> ) :
>>>>>>>>>>> 35 elseif ( is_date() && $template =
>>>>>>>>>>> get_date_template()
>>>>>>>>>>> ) :
>>>>>>>>>>> 36 elseif ( is_archive() && $template =
>>>>>>>>>>> get_archive_template() ) :
>>>>>>>>>>> 37 elseif ( is_comments_popup() && $template =
>>>>>>>>>>> get_comments_popup_template() ) :
>>>>>>>>>>> 38 elseif ( is_paged() && $template =
>>>>>>>>>>> get_paged_template()
>>>>>>>>>>> ) :
>>>>>>>>>>> 39 else :
>>>>>>>>>>> 40 $template = get_index_template();
>>>>>>>>>>> 41 endif;
>>>>>>>>>>> 42 if ( $template = apply_filters(
>>>>> 'template_include',
>>>>>>>>>>> $template ) )
>>>>>>>>>>> 43 include( $template );
>>>>>>>>>>> 44 return;
>>>>>>>>>>> 45 endif;
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Is this the intended behavior? If so, it would seem to
>>> make
>>>>> the
>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> "home.php" obsolete, since "front-page.php" covers both
>>> use
>>>>>>> cases.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> (And sorry for the incredibly belated question. I know
>>> that
>>>>>>> "front-
>>>>>>>>>>> page.php"
>>>>>>>>>>> has been around for a year. I've just never actually
>>> *used*
>>>>> it,
>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>> wasn't
>>>>>>>>>>> aware of how it was defined/used by the template
>>> loader.)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Chip
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