[wp-hackers] wp-hackers Digest, Vol 62, Issue 19

Fri Mar 5 22:48:04 UTC 2010

When making a new WP install, the FTP password should be password encrypted,
with the little black dots. It makes it safer, and applies more ease to the
installer.

Thoughts?

On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 3:05 PM, <wp-hackers-request at lists.automattic.com>wrote:

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>   1. Re: "Masking" a domain name in a wordpress install (Jeremy Clarke)
>   2. Re: MogileFS & Wordpress? (Dave Viner)
>   3. Re: "Masking" a domain name in a wordpress install (Otto)
>   4. Re: Idea: Widgets as custom post types (Brian Layman)
>   5. "commenter" user role (scribu)
>   6. Re: "commenter" user role (Stephanie Leary)
>   7. Re: "commenter" user role (John O'Nolan)
>   8. Re: "commenter" user role (scribu)
>   9. Re: "commenter" user role (scribu)
>  10. Re: "commenter" user role (John O'Nolan)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 14:04:06 -0500
> From: Jeremy Clarke <jer at simianuprising.com>
> Subject: Re: [wp-hackers] "Masking" a domain name in a wordpress
>        install
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> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Otto <otto at ottodestruct.com> wrote:
> > You can read the instructions here to change it back to the way it was
> > and get the site working again:
> > http://codex.wordpress.org/Changing_The_Site_URL
>
> Just for the record, the best solution in these cases is almost always
> to use the two definitions in wp-config.php that override the blog and
> site urls in the settings. The wp-config.php values for urls are
> important both for migrations and for keeping multiple test installs
> (dev->stage->live) so that when you update the test DB with a backup
> of the live DB you don't have to constantly wrangle the urls.
>
> define( 'WP_HOME', 'http://example.com' );
> define( 'WP_SITEURL', 'http://example.com' );
>
> Using this system you will have full control over the urls of your
> site and can easily work around the issues stated above where the
> Settings page becomes innaccessible or at least un-submittable due to
> misconfiguration.
>
> --
> Jeremy Clarke
> Code and Design | globalvoicesonline.org
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 11:11:56 -0800
> From: Dave Viner <dave at vinertech.com>
> Subject: Re: [wp-hackers] MogileFS & Wordpress?
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> Hi Matthew,
>
> I haven't integrated MogileFS into WP, but I have used MogileFS in other
> systems, and I've also created WP plugins that intercept image requests and
> serve from non-standard file locations.
>
> I can't see any reason why it wouldn't work.  Feel free to ping me offlist
> if you need help in getting MogileFS setup and/or integrated.
>
> Thanks
> Dave Viner
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Matthew Barr <mbarr at interactiveone.com
> >wrote:
>
> > We're looking at mogilefs for much of our content for our non-wp sites,
> and
> > are curious if anyone's tried to integrate it into WP (Mu, especially).
> >
> > It would seem that it could be integrated into user uploads storage code
> -
> > as a plugin, i'm sure.
> >
> > With the Mu merge, this seems even more possible, as Mu restricts direct
> > file path access to uploaded files ( with the blog.php page, to find the
> > right blog id & redirect.)
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > ------------------
> > Matthew Barr
> > InteractiveOne  - Senior System Engineer
> > e:mbarr at interactiveone.com <e%3Ambarr at interactiveone.com> <
> e%3Ambarr at interactiveone.com <e%253Ambarr at interactiveone.com>>
> > c:646.727.0535
> > aim: matthewbarr1
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> >
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 13:32:12 -0600
> From: Otto <otto at ottodestruct.com>
> Subject: Re: [wp-hackers] "Masking" a domain name in a wordpress
>        install
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> On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Jeremy Clarke <jer at simianuprising.com>
> wrote:
> > Just for the record, the best solution in these cases is almost always
> > to use the two definitions in wp-config.php that override the blog and
> > site urls in the settings.
>
> What is "best" depends on your point-of-view.
>
> If I'm creating a site for somebody else, or doing a local test site,
> then yes, I want those hardcoded. Newbs shouldn't touch the values,
> and it makes migrating live DB's to test sites much simpler.
>
> On the other hand, if I'm doing a live site for *me*, who is not a
> newbie at this sort of thing, and who (perhaps in a fit of insanity)
> might want to change the URL at a moment's notice and knows how to
> reconfigure his URL paths on the fly and so forth... then not so much.
>
> I like things to be dynamic and easily accessible for ready changes.
> The wp-config file is not easily accessible all the time. This is good
> if I want the values to be hard to change, but bad if I want them to
> be easy to change.
>
> -Otto
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 14:54:49 -0500
> From: "Brian Layman" <Bulk at thecodecave.com>
> Subject: Re: [wp-hackers] Idea: Widgets as custom post types
> To: <wp-hackers at lists.automattic.com>
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> > Why is a widgets table out of the question?
> > I'm not agreeing with the push to treat widgets as a type of post.  They
> aren't data -- they're structure.  In essence they're part of the theme if
> nothing else.  > A very flexible part of the theme, but still -- part of
> the
> theme.
>
> Agreed.  A more appropriate  action would be to consider comments a post
> type.  That would be a hard one to argue against especially because you
> could even do things like promoting a comment to be a Post/top point in a
> conversation. Not that I look forward to that expensive merge process..
>
> -brian layman
>
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 22:33:06 +0200
> From: scribu <scribu at gmail.com>
> Subject: [wp-hackers] "commenter" user role
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> >From the "widget as post type" thread:
>
> On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 9:54 PM, Brian Layman <Bulk at thecodecave.com> wrote:
>
> > Agreed.  A more appropriate  action would be to consider comments a post
> > type.  That would be a hard one to argue against especially because you
> > could even do things like promoting a comment to be a Post/top point in a
> > conversation. Not that I look forward to that expensive merge process..
> >
>
> You can't have comments in the post table because most comments don't come
> from logged-in users. As such, the wp_comments table has several
> user-related columns.
>
> I never liked the duplication that occurs: when a logged-in user leaves a
> comment: his email, for example, is stored both in the wp_users table, and
> the once more for each comment.
>
> The first time somebody leaves a comment, we could create a new user, with
> the "commenter" role.
>
> Later, if somebody wants to comment with the same email, but with a
> different name, a new password will be sent to them via email, verifying
> that it's the same person.
>
>
> --
> http://scribu.net
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2010 21:20:26 +0000
> From: Stephanie Leary <steph at sillybean.net>
> Subject: Re: [wp-hackers] "commenter" user role
> To: <wp-hackers at lists.automattic.com>
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> On Fri, 5 Mar 2010 22:33:06 +0200, scribu <scribu at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I never liked the duplication that occurs: when a logged-in user leaves
> a
> > comment: his email, for example, is stored both in the wp_users table,
> and
> > the once more for each comment.
> >
> > The first time somebody leaves a comment, we could create a new user,
> with
> > the "commenter" role.
> >
> > Later, if somebody wants to comment with the same email, but with a
> > different name, a new password will be sent to them via email, verifying
> > that it's the same person.
>
> Wouldn't that be a subscriber, essentially? It would just be a matter of
> creating the user when they comment.
>
> I like the idea a lot.
>
>
> Stephanie Leary
> sillybean.net
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 21:29:47 +0000
> From: John O'Nolan <john.wp at onolan.org>
> Subject: Re: [wp-hackers] "commenter" user role
> To: wp-hackers at lists.automattic.com
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> I like the idea - but unsure of email notifications, I for example
> frequently leave comments with the same email but with different
> names, either John, JohnONolan, or John O'Nolan - I (personally) would
> find it annoying if this triggered notification/verification emails.
>
> John
>
>
>
>
> On 5 Mar 2010, at 20:33, scribu wrote:
>
> > From the "widget as post type" thread:
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 9:54 PM, Brian Layman <Bulk at thecodecave.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Agreed.  A more appropriate  action would be to consider comments a
> >> post
> >> type.  That would be a hard one to argue against especially because
> >> you
> >> could even do things like promoting a comment to be a Post/top
> >> point in a
> >> conversation. Not that I look forward to that expensive merge
> >> process..
> >>
> >
> > You can't have comments in the post table because most comments
> > don't come
> > from logged-in users. As such, the wp_comments table has several
> > user-related columns.
> >
> > I never liked the duplication that occurs: when a logged-in user
> > leaves a
> > comment: his email, for example, is stored both in the wp_users
> > table, and
> > the once more for each comment.
> >
> > The first time somebody leaves a comment, we could create a new
> > user, with
> > the "commenter" role.
> >
> > Later, if somebody wants to comment with the same email, but with a
> > different name, a new password will be sent to them via email,
> > verifying
> > that it's the same person.
> >
> >
> > --
> > http://scribu.net
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> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 23:39:18 +0200
> From: scribu <scribu at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [wp-hackers] "commenter" user role
> To: wp-hackers at lists.automattic.com
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> On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:20 PM, Stephanie Leary <steph at sillybean.net
> >wrote:
>
> > Wouldn't that be a subscriber, essentially? It would just be a matter of
> > creating the user when they comment.
> >
>
> In terms of capabilities, yeah, it would be identical to a subscriber. It
> remains to be seen if there are any technical reasons for adding a separate
> role.
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:29 PM, John O'Nolan <john.wp at onolan.org> wrote:
>
> > I like the idea - but unsure of email notifications, I for example
> > frequently leave comments with the same email but with different names,
> > either John, JohnONolan, or John O'Nolan - I (personally) would find it
> > annoying if this triggered notification/verification emails.
> >
>
> That might be a problem. We could do this instead:
>
> After the first comment, simply ignore the name entered for subsequent
> comments. If a user wants to change his name, he has to log in.
>
>
> --
> http://scribu.net
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 23:43:03 +0200
> From: scribu <scribu at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [wp-hackers] "commenter" user role
> To: wp-hackers at lists.automattic.com
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> On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:39 PM, scribu <scribu at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > After the first comment, simply ignore the name entered for subsequent
> > comments. If a user wants to change his name, he has to log in.
> >
>
> By the way, there could be an option to send the standard welcome email
> that
> any user gets when creating an account.
>
>
> --
> http://scribu.net
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 22:05:34 +0000
> From: John O'Nolan <john.wp at onolan.org>
> Subject: Re: [wp-hackers] "commenter" user role
> To: wp-hackers at lists.automattic.com
> Message-ID: <6B9710EF-62F2-47F7-A9D8-7D506DDF9A1E at onolan.org>
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>
> I like both of the ideas which you just suggested in response to my
> comment - those sound excellent. So +1 from me!
>
> John
>
>
>
> On 5 Mar 2010, at 21:43, scribu wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:39 PM, scribu <scribu at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> After the first comment, simply ignore the name entered for
> >> subsequent
> >> comments. If a user wants to change his name, he has to log in.
> >>
> >
> > By the way, there could be an option to send the standard welcome
> > email that
> > any user gets when creating an account.
> >
> >
> > --
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