[wp-hackers] The problem with Contributions and This Thread

Jesus Lizama beautifulcrimes at gmail.com
Wed Dec 29 03:27:48 UTC 2010

I agree with Nacin

On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 6:43 PM, Andrew Nacin <wp at andrewnacin.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 8:28 PM, Jacob Santos <wordpress at santosj.name>
>  wrote:
> > You can not say this is a community driven project and then completely
> > ignore the community aspect of the phrase. Is the project 5% community
> > driven, 10%, 20% or more? I also see contradictions and logical
> > inconsistencies in several of the statements and direction of the
> WordPress
> > development. I went over the WordPress Decision presentation by Jane
> Wells
> > at Portland and when you have a hierarchy where the contributors of
> patches
> > are so far down as to be irrelevant, then yes, you do have a corporate
> > process. One of the examples itself was one of a company and I quote,
> "You
> > can't walk into a Microsoft meeting and expect to be heard." Well, the
> > quote
> > is not verbatim.
> If the statement, "Well, join another community or project." Then the
> > statement should be clarified to mean, "Join a project that actually
> cares
> > about its contributors and gives feedback on patches in a timely manner."
> > This statement should NEVER be uttered by an official of the project and
> > the
> > fact that you and others continue to defend and repeat the statement may
> > continue the downward trend of fewer contributors. If the desire is to
> have
> > mainly leads developing WordPress, then I believe you are moving in the
> > right path.
> Jacob,
> Don't tell Jane to not take it personally when you go ahead and base an
> entire thread on the state of your particular patches and then attempt to
> frame our entire development process through that light. It's crap and it's
> in complete disregard to what's really happening.
> This thread is based on the fact that a half-dozen minor HTTP patches you
> submitted never got reviewed by the component owner. I get that, but there
> are also hundreds of other patches that required (and received) review,
> too.
> Most of them are higher priority and address serious bugs or are dealing
> with feature development. Yours did not.
> You're never around, and you've already said you have no plans to continue
> to participate. And yet, here we are. I'm not sure why.  If you want to
> keep
> taking shots in the dark at what amount of this project is
> community-driven,
> I'll provide you some real numbers. So allow me to share with the list some
> stats on meritocracy and community:
> WordPress 3.1 has had 1741 individual commits with 175 different
> contributors. A shorter cycle accounts for the smaller numbers overall, but
> the ratio is up from 3.0, which is fantastic. One third of those commits
> were mine. Of those, I authored about half, and the other 280 commits were
> patches by others that I reviewed.
> There are a number of trusted contributors who provide strong code for
> various components. Here's a list of the top contributors for 3.1. It can
> double as an incomplete list of trusted
> contributors: nacin, scribu, ryan, westi, PeteMall, filosofo, duck_,
> dd32, ocean90, MarkJaquith, koopersmith.
> Not coincidentally, these and other contributors are highly valued for the
> project, and spend a great deal of time triaging and fixing bugs,
> collaborating with each other, reviewing patches by others, participating
> in
> dev chats and bug scrubs (these have happened almost daily all month), and
> lead the direction of specific features and the project as a whole. They
> are
> often involved on a daily basis. Anyone can become one of these
> contributors. You just need to contribute.
> I've earned the right to make decisions. I don't think you've earned the
> right to sling mud.
> Regards,
> Nacin
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