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> 1. Re: WordPress Bike Shed Mailing List (Nathan Rice)
> 2. Re: WordPress Bike Shed Mailing List (Lynne Pope)
> 3. Re: WordPress Bike Shed Mailing List (Otto)
> 4. Re: WordPress Bike Shed Mailing List (Nathan Rice)
> 5. Re: WordPress as CMS (was: wordpress security) (ARMEDA FEEDS)
> 6. Re: WordPress Bike Shed Mailing List (Andy Skelton)
> 7. Community Management (was Re: WordPress Bike Shed Mailing
> List) (Doug Stewart)
> 8. Re: WordPress Bike Shed Mailing List (wp-hackers at striderweb.com)
> 9. Wikimedia Foundation Opening (Blair Lewis)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 09:41:02 -0400
> From: Nathan Rice <ncrice at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [wp-hackers] WordPress Bike Shed Mailing List
> To: wp-hackers at lists.automattic.com
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> It's my fault for starting this thread (sort of) on hackers. It's obviously
> better to have this discussion on wp-discuss (though I don't see a subscribe
> link for wp-discuss here: http://codex.wordpress.org/Mailing_Lists)
>
> Because these emails all come to the same inbox for me, I rarely
> differentiate which list they are coming from.
>
> Apologies.
>
> ------------------
> Nathan Rice
> WordPress and Web Development
> www.nathanrice.net | twitter.com/nathanrice | www.modthemes.com
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Andy Skelton <skeltoac at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Matt Martz <matt at sivel.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I've got this great idea. My idea is to create a wp-bikeshed mailing
>>> list so that all of you on this list have a place to argue endlessly
>>> and never come to any decisions, without disrupting everyone's inboxes
>>> with your pointless spam.
>>>
>> -1 for wp-bikeshed. Shed color arguments never happen in a forum
>> created for that purpose. Use wp-discuss.
>>
>> +1 for "show me the code" and "put up or shut up". The people you are
>> complaining about on wp-hackers aren't actually hackers, i.e. won't
>> code or won't learn to code. Maybe their opinions have value but they
>> have subverted this list against the actual hackers. By all means
>> create a new list but that won't fix wp-hackers. You must repel
>> unwanted behavior.
>>
>> I admit that my habit of Muting every wp-hackers thread doesn't help.
>> If that's the way I'm going to be I should unsubscribe.
>>
>> Andy
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 02:46:09 +1300
> From: Lynne Pope <lynne.pope at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [wp-hackers] WordPress Bike Shed Mailing List
> To: wp-hackers at lists.automattic.com
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> 2009/10/23 Andy Skelton <skeltoac at gmail.com>
>
>
>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Matt Martz <matt at sivel.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I've got this great idea. My idea is to create a wp-bikeshed mailing
>>> list so that all of you on this list have a place to argue endlessly
>>> and never come to any decisions, without disrupting everyone's inboxes
>>> with your pointless spam.
>>>
>> -1 for wp-bikeshed. Shed color arguments never happen in a forum
>> created for that purpose. Use wp-discuss.
>>
>>
>
> The problem is, too many feature requests/ideas are posted to this list by
> people who are asking others to make their ideas happen. Try pointing the
> person to the ideas forum and a slanging match results. Try telling someone
> that they should be posting support questions on the forum and the same
> thing happens.
>
> As a result of the noise people who want genuine feedback before wasting
> their time creating a patch nobody wants just get drowned out, discouraged,
> and give up.
>
> Lynne
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 08:46:26 -0500
> From: Otto <otto at ottodestruct.com>
> Subject: Re: [wp-hackers] WordPress Bike Shed Mailing List
> To: wp-hackers at lists.automattic.com
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> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 8:41 AM, Nathan Rice <ncrice at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> It's my fault for starting this thread (sort of) on hackers. It's obviously
>> better to have this discussion on wp-discuss (though I don't see a subscribe
>> link for wp-discuss here: http://codex.wordpress.org/Mailing_Lists)
>>
>
> wp-discuss?
>
> I can't find that one in the lists:
> http://lists.automattic.com/mailman/listinfo/
>
>
> -Otto
> Sent from Memphis, TN, United States
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 10:09:46 -0400
> From: Nathan Rice <ncrice at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [wp-hackers] WordPress Bike Shed Mailing List
> To: wp-hackers at lists.automattic.com
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> <862d087f0910220709x25c04888k73bcf898eebafb8b at mail.gmail.com>
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> Otto,
> Me neither. No wonder we don't have these types of conversations there! :-)
>
> ------------------
> Nathan Rice
> WordPress and Web Development
> www.nathanrice.net | twitter.com/nathanrice | www.modthemes.com
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 9:46 AM, Otto <otto at ottodestruct.com> wrote:
>
>
>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 8:41 AM, Nathan Rice <ncrice at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> It's my fault for starting this thread (sort of) on hackers. It's
>>>
>> obviously
>>
>>> better to have this discussion on wp-discuss (though I don't see a
>>>
>> subscribe
>>
>>> link for wp-discuss here: http://codex.wordpress.org/Mailing_Lists)
>>>
>> wp-discuss?
>>
>> I can't find that one in the lists:
>> http://lists.automattic.com/mailman/listinfo/
>>
>>
>> -Otto
>> Sent from Memphis, TN, United States
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 07:12:12 -0700
> From: ARMEDA FEEDS <feeds at armeda.com>
> Subject: Re: [wp-hackers] WordPress as CMS (was: wordpress security)
> To: wp-hackers at lists.automattic.com
> Message-ID: <4AE0683C.7090104 at armeda.com>
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>
> I have to agree with you here. Most of the clients I work with are
> interested in using WordPress to manage their sites but don't
> necessarily need a blog for their company. It's an easy choice to make
> over drupal/joomla/EE and quite frankly, it really doesn't make sense to
> fight this.
>
> Thinking that WP is just the best blogging platform is not giving it
> enough credit. If you aren't using it to create functional WEBSITES with
> easy content management capabilities for your clients, you and your
> clients are missing out.
>
> Best,
>
> Dre Armeda
>
> Nathan Rice wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 4:05 PM, Nathan Rice <ncrice at gmail.com> wrote:
>> You're most likely about to be told either:
>>
>> 1) If you want a website CMS (non-blog) then try drupal/joomla/EE
>> 2) If you MUST use WP as a site CMS (non-blog) just tell your client to
>> ignore the blog stuff.
>>
>> Good luck.
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Otto <otto at ottodestruct.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> I don't get it. Why would anybody want to use WordPress, but disable
>>> all the useful features?
>>> ...
>>> My advice would be to make a plugin that erases WordPress and installs
>>> some other piece of software more suitable for their needs.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> I think I deserve a round of applause for calling that one.
>>
>> Here's why people use WP for a site management system, as opposed to a blog:
>>
>> 1. It's familiar
>> 2. It's a damn good page management tool
>> 3. Themes are dead simple to create, or dead cheap to purchase.
>>
>> The MOST POPULAR premium themes available are the themes that help people
>> set up a business website (NOT blog) and give the client the ability to
>> manage the page content.
>>
>> What are we so intent on fighting this? We get it ... you blog ... and
>> that's why YOU like WordPress. But with so many people wanting to use WP as
>> their site management system (for the reasons stated above) aren't we being
>> a wee bit silly when we demand that people use WP strictly as a blogging
>> tool?
>>
>> The people have spoken loud and clear (with their wallets). They don't want
>> to use joomla, drupal, mediawiki, etc. They want to use WordPress. They are
>> voluntarily choosing to use a system that was built for something else
>> because it's THAT MUCH better than the alternatives.
>>
>> To use the illustration from above -- they're choosing to use the coffee
>> maker to boil water because the stove is so horribly unusable. The coffee
>> maker boils water, and that's all they need to know.
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 10:18:33 -0400
> From: Andy Skelton <skeltoac at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [wp-hackers] WordPress Bike Shed Mailing List
> To: wp-hackers at lists.automattic.com
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> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 9:46 AM, Otto <otto at ottodestruct.com> wrote:
>
>> wp-discuss?
>>
>
> I was suggesting a better name than bikeshed for a non-hackers list.
>
> Andy
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 10:23:23 -0400
> From: Doug Stewart <zamoose at gmail.com>
> Subject: [wp-hackers] Community Management (was Re: WordPress Bike
> Shed Mailing List)
> To: wp-hackers at lists.automattic.com
> Message-ID:
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> All of this, at least to me, points to a rather pressing need on
> WordPress/Automattic's part to hire/appoint a Community Manager, ala
> Jono Bacon in the Ubuntu/Canonical world or Glynn Foster for
> OpenSolaris/Sun.
>
> WordPress (and Ubuntu, and OpenSolaris, and Drupal, etc., ad
> infinitum) is NOT simply about code -- it's just as much about the
> community. You can have the best-coded piece of software, available
> under the best and most expressive license imaginable, but if you
> don't have people excited about using it, you're sunk.
>
> WordCamps, meetups, etc. have largely been successful in keeping folks
> from a certain locality excited and engaged and there are multiple
> ways to get plugged in, from the mailing lists to the IRC meetings to
> Ideas/Kvetches, but there's no single unifying presence showing a
> clear direction.
>
> I mean, take a look at the .org front page, *really* take a look at
> it. Say you're a prospective WordPress user/contributor. What part
> says "This is how you get involved"? To my eye, not a single part.
> It's focused on "Hey, you want to use WordPress for a site, here's
> plugins and themes and ways to do what you want", but it lacks a "This
> is how you give back" punch.
>
> I think those of us who have been on the wp-* mailing lists for ages
> have lost sight of this in many ways and, in essence, are squandering
> the potential resource that is the WordPress community (writ large),
> and so you get users (and worse, active code contributors) who get
> frustrated and leave the lists, and sometimes even the community as a
> whole.
>
> Writing code is (comparatively) easy; wrangling people is *hard*. I
> think it's a net loss to the WP project and I think we do a disservice
> to the community by not having a defined way to go about this whole
> "community" thing.
>
> Just my $.02.
>
>
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