[wp-hackers] WordPress as CMS (was: wordpress security)

[Jason Benesch]

You didn't make any sense.

"But the generic "page" dynamic within WordPress is way too immature
for it to realistically be anything other than a "blog" at this point
in time."

"I personally look forward to the day when somebody figures out that
comments and even links are really just another form of post, with
their own taxonomy."

Aren't pages " just another form of posts" as well?  You really don't think
WP can be used for anything other than blog?  Seriously?

I mean I completely understand your point (and I think it is an important
one, that being picking out software specific to your needs), but aren't
posts the same exact thing as pages?  Or really the other way around...

It seems to me that you could literally copy the page.php template file on
to the single.php template file and have a complete CMS that you only need
to update once or twice a month.

You could filter the admin menu, and change the instances of post to
something else if that is your fancy, but I use WP for a standalone website
platform all the time.  For hundreds of different projects that don't have
anything to with blogging.





On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Otto <otto at ottodestruct.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Doug Stewart <zamoose at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Otto:
> > Seems to me that folks are primarily advocating for WordPress(.org) to
> > be seen as a self-installable incarnation of the service offered by
> > providers such as Squarespace (http://www.squarespace.com/), wherein
> > you simply create a website and along with that comes comments,
> > forums, photo galleries, polls, and yes, even blogging capabilities.
>
> It's a neat idea, I grant you, and perhaps in the very, very long
> term, WP will turn into something like that. I can see bbPress making
> great strides lately, and full integration of it with WP is getting
> easier all the time.
>
> But the generic "page" dynamic within WordPress is way too immature
> for it to realistically be anything other than a "blog" at this point
> in time. Even the general WPMU architecture is focused primarily on
> blogging continual streams of content instead of static designs.
> "Pages" are a bolt-on type of hack to the Posts system.
>
> WordPress won't be good at static sites for until somebody comes along
> and actually fixes all those bits up. Because of this, it's going to
> be pretty poor at being a "traditional" CMS in the static site sense.
>
> Now, it is getting better. The recent updates to add custom post type
> taxonomies is a decent start. WordPress is getting more generic,
> getting rid of code that was specific to a thing and made it more
> generic to apply to a variety of things. Tags and categories and link
> categories are all the same thing now internally: terms in taxonomies
> which apply to posts or links. Soon, posts and pages, though already
> pretty close, might get more generic means of referring to them, which
> will allow for some types of optimizations that don't exist at
> present.
>
> I personally look forward to the day when somebody figures out that
> comments and even links are really just another form of post, with
> their own taxonomy. Then we'll be really getting somewhere and you'll
> see rapid progress.
>
> Anyway, once things are made generic, then interfaces can be made for
> them. You'll be able to drag and drop a comments section onto the page
> you want, or not, or whatever. And it'll be neat.
>
> But that day isn't quite today. It's not up for it yet. WordPress is
> indeed a CMS, but that depends on how you actually define "CMS". If
> you think "Content Management System", then that's true, but if you
> think that means every type of "content" under the sun, then you've
> still got another think, I'd say.
>
> In the meantime, it makes a damn fine "blog" system, and I'd advice
> people to stick with that. If they want to help make it more generic,
> then I'd work on those bits. Post taxonomies is the next big thing
> that needs that sort of work.
>
> -Otto
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