[wp-hackers] WordPress as CMS (was: wordpress security)

Olumide Alabi me at olumidealabi.com
Wed Oct 21 20:28:24 UTC 2009

I feel Steven Rossi and where he's coming from. I'm not sure how difficult it would be to pull off or what will be affected by implementing what I'm about to suggest but here goes.

What if the during the install, the page that asks for Blog Title has 2 radio buttons that allow you choose whether you want to use the current install as a blog or a non-blog website and then hides/disables/removes ( whatever the best thing would be) all superfluous elements.

Just my 2 cents.

Best Regards, 
Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Zain Nigeria

-----Original Message-----
From: Steven Rossi <SuperMoonMan at gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:06:29 
To: <wp-hackers at lists.automattic.com>
Subject: Re: [wp-hackers] WordPress as CMS (was: wordpress security)

Sounds great to me! If this hasn't been done before (which to my knowledge,
it hasn't), I can see a big market for it. I've been working towards using
Wordpress in development of more traditional (that is, non-blog) sites, and
it's hard to get around that blog stigma when working in a group environment
with Wordpress.

Perhaps my favorite suggestion in your email is the switch from Blog
Title/Blog Address to Site Title/Site Address. I've always been surprised
that the "Blog" terms have stuck around as long as they have. I'd be all for
a switch.

Steven Rossi

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 3:00 PM, Stephen Rider <wp-hackers at striderweb.com>wrote:

> Note:  This email repeats a lot of things I said in another email, for the
> benefit of those who are not following the Security thread.  For those who
> *are* following that thread, please skim to the bottom, as I pose a new and
> separate question from the security issues discussed elsewhere....
> On Oct 21, 2009, at 9:03 AM, Otto wrote:
>  A site that the admin has not visited in 2 months is, IMO, a dead
>> site. No new content, no readers, nobody caring for it...
> In the past, I've asked for advice on using WordPress as a straight CMS
> rather than a blog platform.  Such questions are routinely answered with
> remarks along the lines of, "It is a CMS, Dummy."
> Fine it's a CMS.  But as such we must accept that many users are using
> WordPress to set up their sites, and edit them when needed, but are NOT
> routinely adding new content, /a la/ a blog.  In such circumstances, a site
> can **easily** go two months without being updated.
> I just don't understand this "screw 'em" attitude.  The attitude toward
> people asking about "WordPress as CMS" is widespread and wrongheaded
> (including coming from one developer with whom I've had a very friendly
> relationship.)  As long as the "blog post" aspect is front and center,
> people will -- legitimately -- consider it "blog software".
> Personally I would love to see a plugin that entirely removes or conceals
> the post/comment areas of the admin, and I'm considering making one.
> The Big Question:  What would a "CMS" plugin have to do?  Pots and comments
> are woven throughout the Admin, and I'd like to remove all aspects of them
> from the menus.  My "to do" list is below -- if I'm missing something, or if
> you have advice as to how to do some of this, I would appreciate.
>        1) Remove "Posts" and "Comments" from main menu.  (Am I correct that
> direct links will still work?  Is there a way to remove those areas entirely
> rather than just hiding the menu items?)
>        2) Remove "Recent Comments" and "QuickPress" from Dashboard.
>  (Again, can it be removed entirely or merely hidden?)
>        3) Remove "Press This" from Tools page (how?)
>        4) Writing Settings page -- remove/hide/turn off "Remote
> Publishing", "Post Via Email", and "Update Services" settings
>        5) Reading Settings page -- remove "Front Page Displays" option.
>  Set it to "static page".  Still must allow user to set the static page
> though.
>        (Since we're changing those two pages so much, perhaps remove them
> entirely and replace them with a new consolidated page?)
>        6) Remove "Discussion" settings page entirely.  Set default
> preferences to no comments or notifications.
>        7) Remove "Discussion" meta box from Edit Page page.
>        8) Remove Tags/Categories from Permalink Settings page
> Also, in general, I think WordPress itself should do a few things to lessen
> the "blog assumption".  Nothing major, but a few small things to consider:
>        1) On General Settings page, change "Blog Title" and "Blog Address"
> to "Site Title" and "Site Address"
>        2) Ditto "Privacy" page.  "Blog" s/b "Site"
> Good idea?  Bad?  Discuss!
> Stephen
> --
> Stephen Rider
> http://striderweb.com/
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