[wp-hackers] GSoC Proposal: Integrate WP-cache / WP Super Cache into WordPress

[Ronald Heft]

Thanks for the clarification. That's an angle I certainly didn't think of,
so it would be something that I would need to investigate before undertaking
a caching system.

On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 10:49 PM, DD32 <wordpress at dd32.id.au> wrote:

> Sorry for the confusion - I'll rephrase, but wont be saying exactly the
> same things.. simply due to my confusion :)
>
> What i meant, Was that While a HTML cacher would be nice in the core, it
> is a bit of a hard compromise in terms of configuration.
>
> The HTML cachers currently hook in before the database has been connected
> to, and as such, only the options set in the config file are available. So
> it'd either be allways enabled, or allways disabled at that point, There
> wouldnt be much user configuration available via the admin interface for the
> caching as a result. (writing to the filesystem is allways problematic for
> saving options).
>
> The Object Cache was removed due to the problems with maintaining it,
> problems such as filesystem access(permissions, and/or speed); A HTML cache
> would have the exact same problems.
>
> While the HTML caching could take place after the database has been
> connected to, to allow for generalistic options to be set, it would remove a
> main benefit of having the caching installed in the first place - That is,
> That quite often the problem is that MySQL goes down under heavy load.
>
> On Sat, 01 Mar 2008 14:36:52 +1100, Ronald Heft <ron at cavemonkey50.com>
> wrote:
>
> > DD32,
> > I'm not exactly sure what you're referring to with plugins. Are you
> saying
> > that including an HTML caching solution directly into WordPress is a
> good
> > idea as plugins are no longer guessing if WP-cache is installed, or are
> you
> > saying something else?
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 1:37 AM, DD32 <wordpress at dd32.id.au> wrote:
> >
> >> Just a quick note:
> >>
> >> Keep in mind that the Object Cache has been removed from WordPress 2.5(By
> >> default; Users can still add-in memcached/mysql memory tables/the
> original
> >> object cache via the override file wp-content/object-cache.php)
> >>
> >> The main reason for removing it was that it was not enabled by default,
> >> and that there were more issues with it than benifits(IMO).
> >>
> >> A HTML Cacher would be a nice inclusion in core, But its hard to enable
> as
> >> pure included plugin material, Due to the fact that its either enabled
> or
> >> disabled according to the file being present in wp-content/ or not.
> >>
> >> I think WordPress would benefit more from only loading the required
> files
> >> in the long run, As thats something that Plugins cannot help with.
> >>
> >> On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:29:42 +1100, Matt <speedboxer at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 10:17 PM, Ronald Heft <ron at cavemonkey50.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >> Regarding things like APC and memcache, correct me if I'm wrong, but
> I
> >> do
> >> >> not think the majority of web hosts would be able to support those
> >> >> solutions. Very few people would benefit.
> >> >
> >> > I don't think APC and memcache work as well in shared environments...
> >> >
> >> > It'd be interesting to see what kind of plugins would be made off of
> >> > such a system. A plugin that changes the theme when the site's under
> >> > stress would defiantly be interesting.
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
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Ronald Heft, Jr.
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Pennsylvania State University

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