[wp-hackers] Making it better
ringmaster at midnightcircus.com
Fri Apr 22 12:14:10 GMT 2005
> Question: Do we actually WANT to make life easier for Joe User ? Some
> comments would hint that this is not the case. And if we do, then we
> ask JU what he wants, and we supply it. We don't run it past a board
> of enquiry, we don't compare it to what some guru says, we don't have
> conversations about the why / where / how - it's just done.
The problem with throwing the question of what WordPress needs to the
masses is that we'll still end up removing chaff from the grain. "It
should include red-eye removal features for uploading images." Getting
a sense of what users really need without asking for noise seems like a
better idea than fielding every crazy suggestion and then being
denigrated for not including it.
I don't have an issue with attempting to improve WordPress' programmatic
accessibility to Joe User. Joe User needs to understand that even
though he has made a suggestion, that doesn't mean it's a good idea or
that anyone else would benefit by using their own time and effort to
bring his ideas to life.
On the other hand, and here's where the forum and support is lacking,
there isn't a well-defined place for Joe to lobby for his ideas where it
gets visibility by developers. Hell, I'm often looking for something
dumb to code to waste an hour or so. Set me up an RSS feed to these
crazy user suggestions and watch the custom code fly.
> All you guys who can do php once wrote something along the lines of
> your first bit of code that went "Hello World". There are people
> wanting / trying / sweating to use WP who are not even there yet and
> if you want WP to be the complete success, you are going to have to
> help them. Codex isn't and cannot be that panacea.
Is it your expectation that WP becomes a tutoring ground for PHP newbies?
There is a lot of help in codex, some of it even assumes that the user
doesn't really understand PHP. Skippy's "The Loop" lesson is shaping up
really well, actually. Sure, it could use (a lot) more documentation
like this, but there are so many other better online/offline resources
for PHP that I don't think we should reinvent the wheel just to appease
users who want something more complicated than can be accomplished by
using the evolving Codex documentation to tweak existing template tags.
This is why I keep saying that there needs to be a line that once you
cross it, you're in development territory. You can certainly use
WordPress with virtually no programming skill. But as you start to
demand custom features, you have to expect a little programming
knowledge. We can try to help out by documenting how to do simple
things in Codex, but the plain fact is, you're going to have to pick up
a PHP book if you don't know PHP and you want to write new code.
WordPress can't write the code for you.
Sorry if this sounds more confrontational than it was intended, but I
think it gets my points across clearly, so I won't soften it. :)
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