[wp-forums] Can someone put this guy in his place? (Joni Mueller)

Thu Apr 25 18:11:02 UTC 2013

I think I'm going to stick to my rule that if you're not nice, you're not receiving help from me. I just won't reply :)
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   1. Re: Can someone put this guy in his place? (Joni Mueller)
   2. Re: Can someone put this guy in his place? (Joni Mueller)
   3. Re: Can someone put this guy in his place? (Mika A Epstein)
   4. Re: Can someone put this guy in his place? (Aaron Nimocks)
   5. Re: Can someone put this guy in his place? (Mika A Epstein)
   6. Re: Can someone put this guy in his place? (Brandon Kraft)
   7. Re: Can someone put this guy in his place? (Joni Mueller)

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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 12:33:25 -0500
From: Joni Mueller <joni at jonimueller.com>
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Prolly his kid.  I read the thread and I think there are other things he could do to try to troubleshoot it. I may throw those out since he is unwilling to disable his theme and plugins temporarily.  (I do know that if your theme is using shortcodes, you lose that formatting until you revert back to that theme. That may upset some folks if they haven't had enough caffeine yet.) :)

Joni Mueller
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Looks llke he's a well known troll: http://www.google.com/search?q=William+G.+Schlake

-- mark

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Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 12:37:51 -0500
From: Joni Mueller <joni at jonimueller.com>
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Well I was going to try to help but the thread is closed.  Is this because he is being punished for being obstinate?  I find these behaviors (on the part of mods) a bit Lord of the Flies.  It doesn't help.  Later if someone actually does have a solution, they cannot post it.  So how is that helpful?

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On Apr 25, 2013, at 10:44 AM, Andrew2.Nevins wrote:

> Paste Fail
> http://wordpress.org/support/topic/stuck-in-wordpress-hell?replies=24
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> I think he's a bit too used to being the centre of attention

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Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 10:43:43 -0700
From: Mika A Epstein <ipstenu at ipstenu.org>
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I closed the thread because at a certain point, the circle of pissy gets
too hard to cope with for anyone :/ If he opens a new one, I'm fine with
it, so long as everyone's civil.

Too many people were ganging up on him. He was getting pissed off
because he doesn't understand what's going on, which is fair, and he
wasn't being helped. This thread was a failure on all parts, yes,
including ours.

Let him start over. Bonus points for everyone if we can be rational and
reasonable.

Joni Mueller wrote:
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> Well I was going to try to help but the thread is closed. Is this
> because he is being punished for being obstinate? I find these
> behaviors (on the part of mods) a bit Lord of the Flies. It doesn't
> help. Later if someone actually does have a solution, they cannot post
> it. So how is that helpful?
>
> Joni Mueller
> www.pixelita.com
> Follow me on Twitter: @pixelitadesigns
>
> On Apr 25, 2013, at 10:44 AM, Andrew2.Nevins wrote:
>
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>> Paste Fail
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>> I think he's a bit too used to being the centre of attention
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Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 10:44:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: Aaron Nimocks <aaron_nimocks at yahoo.com>
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I don't believe anyone could offer a solution until he is willing to do the basic trouble shooting steps which he apparently does not want to do.? But yes I agree, maybe leave it open and not reply until he has did his part first.

Aaron

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Well I was going to try to help but the thread is closed.? Is this because he is being punished for being obstinate?? I find these behaviors (on the part of mods) a bit Lord of the Flies.? It doesn't help.? Later if someone actually does have a solution, they cannot post it.? So how is that helpful?

Joni Mueller
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On Apr 25, 2013, at 10:44 AM, Andrew2.Nevins wrote:

> Paste Fail
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> I think he's a bit too used to being the centre of attention

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Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 10:47:36 -0700
From: Mika A Epstein <ipstenu at ipstenu.org>
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Aaron, if I could magically control everyone on the forums and lock a
thread so only the OP could reply, I would. That's what I WANT to do
here. Can't :/

I edited my post to say he can make a new one.

Though did anyone notice he already posted this same bug six days ago?

http://wordpress.org/support/topic/slug-page-and-menu-madness?replies=2

Of course he marked it resolved, which explains why he was extra annoyed
no one had helped him all week. Heh.

Aaron Nimocks wrote:
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> I don't believe anyone could offer a solution until he is willing to
> do the basic trouble shooting steps which he apparently does not want
> to do. But yes I agree, maybe leave it open and not reply until he has
> did his part first.
>
>
> Aaron
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> Well I was going to try to help but the thread is closed. Is this
> because he is being punished for being obstinate? I find these
> behaviors (on the part of mods) a bit Lord of the Flies. It doesn't
> help. Later if someone actually does have a solution, they cannot post
> it. So how is that helpful?
>
> Joni Mueller
> www.pixelita.com
> Follow me on Twitter: @pixelitadesigns
>
> On Apr 25, 2013, at 10:44 AM, Andrew2.Nevins wrote:
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>> Paste Fail
>> http://wordpress.org/support/topic/stuck-in-wordpress-hell?replies=24
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>> I think he's a bit too used to being the centre of attention
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Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 12:49:13 -0500
From: Brandon Kraft <web-comments at brandonkraft.com>
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I think there can be some middle ground. If the theme has a front-page.php,
that'll be used for both your latest post or a static page. My thinking "if
your theme has this, that's likely what's going on." type thing.

On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Aaron Nimocks <aaron_nimocks at yahoo.com>wrote:

> I don't believe anyone could offer a solution until he is willing to do
> the basic trouble shooting steps which he apparently does not want to do.
> But yes I agree, maybe leave it open and not reply until he has did his
> part first.
>
>
> Aaron
>
>
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> Subject: Re: [wp-forums] Can someone put this guy in his place?
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>
> Well I was going to try to help but the thread is closed.  Is this because
> he is being punished for being obstinate?  I find these behaviors (on the
> part of mods) a bit Lord of the Flies.  It doesn't help.  Later if someone
> actually does have a solution, they cannot post it.  So how is that helpful?
>
> Joni Mueller
> www.pixelita.com
> Follow me on Twitter: @pixelitadesigns
>
> On Apr 25, 2013, at 10:44 AM, Andrew2.Nevins wrote:
>
> > Paste Fail
> > http://wordpress.org/support/topic/stuck-in-wordpress-hell?replies=24
> >
> > I think he's a bit too used to being the centre of attention
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Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 12:45:53 -0500
From: Joni Mueller <joni at jonimueller.com>
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Because my thinking is if people on there can throw out ideas, they can be useful TO OTHERS WITH THE SAME PROBLEM.  Sorry to be shouty, but I have seen this quite a bit on the forums.  Someone gets irritated and BAM, thread closed.  Never to be seen or heard from, or collectively solved, again.

If we had more threads that were rich with actual solutions, maybe, just maybe, someone might be able to search them (or use Google to find them, just as someone Googled the OP -- go ahead and Google me while you're at it, I don't care) and find a posted solution. Or at least be pointed in the right direction.

I thought the forum was for everyone, not just the OP, who might or might not be a nice person.

And as an aside, not that anyone cares, really, I was on the forums a lot in past years, helping (and I of course had my own questions and problems too).  But I got burned out really quickly by so much nastiness, mostly on the part of clueless users (and yeah, they're out there).  But I've been back recently to see if I can help some folks out. If I see a thread where someone is having a meltdown or behaving like a little beast, I skip it.  Why should I raise my blood pressure to help someone who clearly isn't worth my time or effort?  I cherry pick the threads where I will step in and help.  That seems to be making a difference at least in my own well being.

Joni Mueller
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I closed the thread because at a certain point, the circle of pissy gets
too hard to cope with for anyone :/ If he opens a new one, I'm fine with
it, so long as everyone's civil.

Too many people were ganging up on him. He was getting pissed off
because he doesn't understand what's going on, which is fair, and he
wasn't being helped. This thread was a failure on all parts, yes,
including ours.

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