[wp-forums] copy of wordshell

[Chris Cox]

"Command line interference" is an epic DYAC 
<http://www.damnyouautocorrect.com/>, given the circumstances.

*Chris Cox*

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On 28/09/2012 15:29, Mika A Epstein wrote:
> Piffle, Marc :) You're a member of this list, you have the authority 
> to tell me when I'm being a jerk :) Never forget that! If you all stop 
> saying 'Hey, Ipstenu, that line? You're crossing it!' then I'll lose 
> the ability to see it!
>
> The tl;dr is, however, that these are not the forums. These are the 
> forum-support-emails, where people who ride the range, wrangling the 
> forums, come for help from our peers, and to warn folks about folks 
> who've lost their mind.
>
> Which does remind me. Stuart - This is the wrong list for that 
> question anyway. You probably mean to be on wp-hackers (though they'll 
> likely say it's the wrong list too). If you really, desperately, want 
> a free and GPL command line interference for WP, try WP-CLI.
>> Mar Ventus <mailto:marventus.wp at gmail.com>
>> September 28, 2012 9:11 AM
>> *@Stuart:*
>> The answer to your question is in the license document itself:
>>
>>>   It is provided to you via a service subscription. The service
>>> subscription is per-machine (where WordShell is installed – the 
>>> websites
>>> managed themselves can be on any number of machines).
>>
>> That means 2 things:
>> *a.* The license between the Dev and the User only comes into effect
>> through the act of purchasing a service. You have not purchased the
>> service, therefore, the license (GPL or not) does not apply to you;
>> *b.* Even if you did buy the service, you would not be able to 
>> distribute
>> the software because of the "per-machine" limitations.
>> Now, whether the license constitutes an actual GPL license is an entire
>> different matter. I don't think it does. However, even if it objectively
>> does not, that is still not grounds for violating that particular 
>> license,
>> regardless of anything else.
>>
>> *@Ipstenu:*
>>
>>> I am mod :)
>>
>> Indeed you are. And paraphrasing Spiderman: "with great power comes
>> great(ER?) responsibility", :-)
>>
>> And I don't think saying 'Don't be a jerk' is ban-worthy. The other 
>> words
>>> (which yes, I was thinking) are. But I really can't think of another 
>>> way to
>>> get the point across of how mean that is. I could very easily argue 
>>> that
>>> what Stuart is asking for is theft. Given the context, I wouldn't even
>>> flinch if I saw that in the forums.
>>
>> In the Forum Welcome, "calling people names" is listed as a potential 
>> cause
>> for a ban, and I understand that these are guiding principles more than
>> strict rules, but still... As to expressing certain points strongly, 
>> I am
>> all in favor of sending strong messages. Also, since I don't like being
>> told how to express myself, I try not to do it to others (unless they 
>> are
>> yelling or becoming agitated, etc.). However, I do see various ways to
>> convey an equally strong point without crossing the name-calling 
>> barrier.
>> In your latest reply, for instance, there was a perfect one IMHO, which
>> consisted of comparing Stuart's act to theft, but actually calling him a
>> thief. Others come to mind, such as questioning the morality of the act.
>>
>> If you think I should be castigated for saying jerk
>>
>> Not at all. I don't have the authority (neither moral nor factual) to 
>> make
>> that sort of decisions or suggestions, nor was it my intention to 
>> even go
>> down that road. I was simply trying to raise awareness over not crossing
>> certain limits when it comes to addressing issues that arise on the 
>> forums
>> or the lists. I don't know about you, but I really like the WP 
>> community (a
>> lot!), and I would hate it see it turning into your average "Battle
>> Royale", like most of the net is, nowadays. Now, don't get me wrong: 
>> we all
>> have our "I wanna murder this guy with a dull spoon" kind of moments 
>> when
>> confronted to certain user practices, sayings, attitudes or requests, 
>> and I
>> am certainly not an exception here. However, I think that the way in 
>> which
>> we choose to deal with said events has a major impact on future
>> occurrences. To put it differently, I believe we should try to avoid 
>> users
>> thinking something on the lines of "if mods and contributors don't 
>> respect
>> the rules, why should we, regular users?".
>> I'm gonna finish with another nerdy thought: since "some people just 
>> want
>> to watch the world burn", are we going to jump in with a torch and help
>> them, or bring out the big fire extinguishers and quench that mofo-ing
>> fire? :-)
>>
>>
>> Marventus
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Mika A 
>> Epstein<ipstenu at ipstenu.org>wrote:
>>
>>> Oh and its contact at wordshell.net.<mailto:contact at wordshell.net>
>>>
>>>> Mika A Epstein<mailto:ipstenu at ipstenu.org>
>>>> September 28, 2012 8:25 AM
>>>>
>>>> Yes it is.
>>>>
>>>> He is SELLING it. You are asking to take it and give it away.
>>>>
>>>> GPL doesn't mean 'free as in beer.'
>>>>
>>>> Of course you can, via the GPL, do this. I'm just saying you 
>>>> shouldn't.
>>>>
>>>> I'll put it this way. If you steal a plugin from WPMU plugins and 
>>>> attempt
>>>> to put it up in the WordPress.org forums, you will be banned so 
>>>> fast your
>>>> head will spin. It's not a matter of GPL, it's a matter of 
>>>> humanity. Let us
>>>> not play Devs against Humanity.
>>>>
>>>> Stuart Matthews<mailto:stuart at islogistics.com**>
>>>> September 28, 2012 8:23 AM
>>>> 1) I scoured his website and even the whois records for his email
>>>> address, couldn't find it. This was a choice of the dev to not be 
>>>> easily
>>>> found.
>>>> 2) If it is GPLv2 licensed, then it isn't a "jerk" thing to do. The
>>>> license specifically gives permission to share the software. You 
>>>> can't get
>>>> nerd credit for using GPL and then not be OK with people sharing the
>>>> software.
>>>>
>>>> - Stuart
>>>>
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>> Mika A Epstein <mailto:ipstenu at ipstenu.org>
>> September 28, 2012 8:25 AM
>> Oh and its contact at wordshell.net. <mailto:contact at wordshell.net>
>>
>> Mika A Epstein <mailto:ipstenu at ipstenu.org>
>> September 28, 2012 8:25 AM
>> Yes it is.
>>
>> He is SELLING it. You are asking to take it and give it away.
>>
>> GPL doesn't mean 'free as in beer.'
>>
>> Of course you can, via the GPL, do this. I'm just saying you shouldn't.
>>
>> I'll put it this way. If you steal a plugin from WPMU plugins and 
>> attempt to put it up in the WordPress.org forums, you will be banned 
>> so fast your head will spin. It's not a matter of GPL, it's a matter 
>> of humanity. Let us not play Devs against Humanity.
>>
>> Stuart Matthews <mailto:stuart at islogistics.com>
>> September 28, 2012 8:23 AM
>> 1) I scoured his website and even the whois records for his email 
>> address, couldn't find it. This was a choice of the dev to not be 
>> easily found.
>> 2) If it is GPLv2 licensed, then it isn't a "jerk" thing to do. The 
>> license specifically gives permission to share the software. You 
>> can't get nerd credit for using GPL and then not be OK with people 
>> sharing the software.
>>
>> - Stuart
>>
>>
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