[wp-forums] The "Changes" - PT2 - Let's get this together..

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On 9/16/06, Podz <podz at tamba2.org.uk> wrote:
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> The fact is that WP is not and never has been a democracy. It's closer
> than Mussolini's Italy but it's probably in here somewhere. I asked for
> feedback because at WordCamp I was told the forums were not friendly to
> new people - I disagreed but said it would come to the list. It did. The
> issue died.


Of course it did.  See why later in this very same message from you. [1]

I again pushed the idea of any changes because I believe that there may
> be useful information from people other than the mods. Mods are there a
> lot and like vkaryl has said we learn to get around things to make it
> better for us.


Foreshadowing for, "don't expect many changes."  ;-)

Arguably we are also the wrong people to decide what is and is not good
> for newbies - we need to ask them. But you can't ask someone whose blog
> has just thrown an error - their attention is distracted. So ideas
> thrown around here are the only way we can go. But just because we think
> it is best does not make it best. If 10 people on this list say Yes, 2
> say No and the other 70 abstain does that make the vote valid? Whatever.
>
> If changes are proposed and those changes do not happen then a reason
> will be given - that's only right. But nowhere in any thread here does
> it say change _will_ happen.


*bingo*  Finally, the light begins to hit my eyes.

I have said before that I do not think structural changes are needed.
> What IS needed are small but effective changes.


And why did we go through this "poll" exercise then?  (and honestly, I'm
embarassed that I replied to this series.  again. I feel like a guppy.)

And more people willing to help.


... but not ask for changes or improvements.

[1] Please, don't start polls and waste time asking for feedback if you
already feel you know what needs to be done.  It just wastes everyone's
time.

I think this, and something over in wp-hackers today, helped me finally
realize that as a non-automattic employee, it really doesn't matter what my
opinions are.  Not that folks aren't welcome to share their opinions.  And
no, I'm not hollering censorship or oppression.  I'm just a bit bemused by
all this and must crawl off to my cave to ponder.