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color:#1F497D'>Helen,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I’ll be sure to keep everyone posted. Regarding the plugin
you’ve been using (TinyMCE Advanced), I saw it but am not pursuing it, since it’s
not officially compatible with WP 3.x<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>It’s not been updated since 12/09 either, plus regarding whether
it works in WP 3.x, 37 say yes, but 9 say it’s broken. <br>
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<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I try to avoid any plugins that aren’t officially compatible
with the release I’m using and/or haven’t been updated within the last 6 months
(if WP has been upgraded in that timeframe).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>David K. Whisler <b>| </b>Oracle & MySQL DBA/Developer &
Joomla Administrator<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>UNC Charlotte <b>| </b>The William States Lee College of
Engineering<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</b>Charlotte, NC 28223<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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[mailto:wp-edu-bounces@lists.automattic.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Helen Hou<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 08, 2010 1:04 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [wp-edu] Creation of Tables in a Post or Page in WordPress<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Hi Dave,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>We've been using TinyMCE Advanced (plugin) to add the table
buttons to the editor, in addition to a couple others (anchor and HR). It
generally works perfectly but needs to be set up on each new site. I've also
recently noticed that some buttons have disappeared, though - I imagine it's a
conflict with another plugin. I'm very to interested to hear your thoughts on
the other plugins you mentioned!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Best,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Helen<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Helen Hou-Sandi<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>cell: (757) 288-8767<o:p></o:p></p>
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On Oct 8, 2010, at 12:45 PM, "Whisler, Dave" <<a
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Got
a question: I’ve built a WordPress 3.01 multisite for all of the
Faculty/Staff in our Engineering College.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I’ve
posted this question below and here at our main WP site: <a
href="http://coefs.uncc.edu/2010/10/no-table-support-in-wp-visual-editor-and-solutions/">http://coefs.uncc.edu/2010/10/no-table-support-in-wp-visual-editor-and-solutions/</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I’ve
been very impressed with Word Press in the 6 months or so since I’ve “dove in”
to it.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>However,
I was very surprised to find that the standard Visual Editor in WP has no way
to create a tables (IE: no Table widget in the toolbar, no wizard, etc…) and
even more surprised by the near silence on this issue.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Several
faculty noticed this as well (thus, I’m not the only one) and you’d think
having a Table Wizard on the toolbar would be standard fare of an WYSIWYG
editor these days (not to mention other formatting tools).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I
kept thinking that we were somehow missing the boat and simply overlooking the
obvious….. Especially when my Google searches didn’t find the answer – I
thought I was just having a bad brain day. Eventually I came to see
that I was right – there simply was no built-in method in WP to do tables in
the Visual Editor. I was stunned that WP, as awesome as it is,
didn’t have this as part of the basic core.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Here’s
the options I’ve found in my research:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>1.
Create the table in MS-Word, MS-Excel and then paste it into the visual editor<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>2.
Write the HTML yourself, use an HTML wizard on a
website, or your favorite HTML editor (Dream Weaver, etc..) to generate the
HTML, then in the WP editor, switch to HTML mode and then cut-n-paste it into
your WP page/post.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>3.
Use <a href="http://explore.live.com/windows-live-write" target="_blank">Microsoft
Live Writer 2010</a> (free client-side windows app) – as it has many fine
features AND allows you to completely manage your posts AND pages. It
also has it's one set of plug-ins (go here: <a
href="http://gallery.live.com/default.aspx?pl=8">Windows Live Gallery</a>), but
the standard install seems to do most of what you'll need.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>4.
Find a WP Plug-in that provides the missing table feature (and other formatting
tools)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>a. WP Super Edit: <a
href="http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/wp-super-edit/">WordPress › WP Super
Edit « Word Press Plug-ins</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p>b. CKEditor:
<a
href="http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/ckeditor-for-wordpress/">WordPress ›
CKEditor For WordPress « WordPress Plugins</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p>c. FolioPress:
<a
href="http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/foliopress-wysiwyg/">WordPress ›
Foliopress WYSIWYG « WordPress Plugins</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Live
Writer Pros: I’ve just installed Live Writer this morning and have
been testing it – and it looks pretty nice and seems to work
well. Has many nice formatting features and is similar to <a
href="http://scribefire.com">http://scribefire.com</a> (free popular browser
add-on for Fire Fox/Safari/Chrome). But, is not as limiting as
Scribe Fire. Scribe Fire does NOT have the table wizard NOR does it
have the ability to create or edit “Pages” – it can only do
“Posts”. However, Live Writer can do both. And you can
create new pages/posts off-line and then publish them later (which might come
in handy sometime).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Live
Writer Cons: It is yet another “app” that has to be
installed/managed/upgraded AND you’ll have to teach people how to use it
(though it’s not hard…. But you know how it is..) Being a Microsoft
app, it might yet be inserting a lot of junk into each post/page that you
create (not sure if this is the case…. Just guessing on past
experience). I did see a lot of positive reviews of it
from WP users, however, I think I may have stumbled across a complaint from
someone that later edited the “table” in the WP editor which had earlier been
created using Live Writer and it messed up the
formatting. It’s possible this was an issue with an
earlier release of WP and/or with an earlier release of Live Writer – so take
this with a grain of salt – you’ll need to try that out and see if it really is
an issue or not. Oh, and one more Con for Live Writer.
You guessed it. Being a Microsoft product, it only runs on Windows
XP/Windows 7. So, the Mac and Linux crowd get left out. Not
good.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>WP
Plug-ins: I’m going to review/install/test the 3 plug-ins mentioned
above (the 1st is probably the best one) and see which one is the best (if
any). <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I
want to find the optimal solution and if WP is working on adding more
formatting features to the standard Visual Editor, as the best option is always
to stick to the core product – the less plug-ins and/or other ancillary
software we have to utilize, the easier it is to administer (less stuff to
install/upgrade, less potential breakage when upgrading, less potential
security breaches, less training of the end-users, etc…).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Please
let me know if you have another other solutions that are proven to work well
and if you have tried any of these above (and which one you recommend).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Dave<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>David K. Whisler <b>| </b>Oracle
& MySQL DBA/Developer & Joomla Administrator</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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