[wp-edu] Educational Focused WordCamp?

Helen Hou hhou at esm.rochester.edu
Fri Sep 10 15:59:59 UTC 2010

Jay, you are absolutely right. I know that I personally am in a situation
where there isn¹t a whole lot of direction when it comes to initial
declarations of ownership but instead lots of post-declarations, along with
an odd amount of autonomous control and oversight of projects on my part,
but that isn¹t the case for everybody. I¹m not sure whether to consider
myself lucky or not in that regard!

I suppose we¹d probably have to stay away from directly publishing code
examples when they belong to somebody else (e.g. a school) and be
particularly careful in making sure that we each abide by our respective
authorities (and thus keep our jobs!). I would guess that a good bit of
content will be discussions on what pre-existing plugins were used for what
function or what kind of process was undertaken for a particular proposal,
so I would think that those sorts of write-ups would belong to the

Finally, I would venture to say that the very fact that our schools are open
to the idea of using something like WordPress in the first place is a good
step toward open content. Very interesting to see is the University of
Alabama¹s Web Guide: http://webguide.ua.edu/intro.html . They actually put
their WP and mobile themes out there for download WITH extensive
documentation! I¹ve actually suggested a similar approach as we turn to
WP-as-CMS and haven¹t met any resistance (yet), so I am hopeful that a
culture of sharing information and mutual benefits will win out over control

C¹est la fin? Yeah, right :)

Helen Hou-Sandi (MM¹08)
Web Developer, Eastman School of Music

From: Jay Collier <jay.collier at thecompass.com>
Reply-To: <wp-edu at lists.automattic.com>
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 10:52:33 -0400
To: <wp-edu at lists.automattic.com>
Subject: Re: [wp-edu] Educational Focused WordCamp?


My last 2 cents on this. For those of us who have worked at institutions
with clearly-defined and strongly-enforced intellectual property policies --
and those who have created works that have been used commercially and
modified without attribution -- not having a clear definition of ownership
and licensing could actually prevent participating, since the text, images,
and code created by a staff member is usually owned by the institution (as
"work for hire"). 

This may only be true for a small number of schools, but during this time of
significant transformation in higher education regarding open content, this
may grow. Moving forward is understandable, but I'd simply suggest that each
contributor check in with the copyright authority at your school.

C'est tout pour le moment ;)


On Sep 10, 2010, at 10:14 AM, Helen Hou wrote:

> Thank you for setting that up, Jeff. I am not terribly familiar with licenses,
> either, but I do think that debating their merits is a little ahead of the
> game. Being clear about governance and keeping it actively in mind while
> planning is very important, but I think that first creating a solid outline of
> potential content will help us to determine licensing/ownership needs. That
> said, I definitely agree that original authors should be able to feel
> confident regarding their intellectual property rights and that such a site
> would need to have a spread of ownership in order to survive long-term.
> I¹ll get on contributing to that document now :)
> -- 
> Helen Hou-Sandi (MM¹08)
> Web Developer, Eastman School of Music
> ESM 35A
> From: Jeff VanDrimmelen <jeffvand at unc.edu <x-msg://61/jeffvand@unc.edu> >
> Reply-To: <jeffvand at unc.edu <x-msg://61/jeffvand@unc.edu> >,
> <wp-edu at lists.automattic.com <x-msg://61/wp-edu@lists.automattic.com> >
> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 08:30:31 -0500
> To: "wp-edu at lists.automattic.com <x-msg://61/wp-edu@lists.automattic.com> "
> <wp-edu at lists.automattic.com <x-msg://61/wp-edu@lists.automattic.com> >
> Subject: Re: [wp-edu] Educational Focused WordCamp?
> Hey All, 
> This topic has migrated quite a bit, but I think for the good.  :)   In an
> effort to move forward instead of circles I have created a google doc and made
> it so anyone can edit it at the link below:
> https://docs.google.com/document/edit?id=1bsJv0nUb5Z-CdZB2XD6GcU3XP8kQiw9RDL9f
> yEhQDGY&hl=en&authkey=CJ-jwKkJ
> I have just put up a skeleton about some of the topics that have come up.  If
> you are interested in working on this project please go to the link above and
> add your information.  I have also added a section for license agreements.  I
> didn't realize the history.  I agree that what ever we do should stay open and
> free to everyone.  Isn't that was education is all about? :)  I'm not as
> familiar with the licenses as many of you are though, so please add your
> thoughts. 
> Regarding the virtual conference (I'll stop calling a WordCamp), I still would
> love to see something like that happen.  I am glad to hear there are tracks at
> WordCamps around the country and will certainly keep my eye out for those that
> I can attend, but I know my budget is already gone for the year and unless a
> local one has an education track that is unlikely for me.
> With that in mind I created a second document (that can also be edited)
> focused on a virtual academic wordpress conference:
> https://docs.google.com/document/edit?id=1WYGAV3eV4f1xDnZ4f8ozGngd2Be-f35_iSRC
> j-TJeCM&hl=en&authkey=CLaO-IMJ
> If you are interested in the conference, please go and add your thoughts
> there.  Even if you can't help organize it I think it would be great to have
> your thoughts. 
> ~Jeff
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> On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 6:47 AM, Mike Little <wordpress at zed1.com
> <x-msg://61/wordpress@zed1.com> > wrote:
>> On 10 September 2010 11:25, Jane Wells <jane at automattic.com
>> <x-msg://61/jane@automattic.com> > wrote:
>>>  Actually, we generally say all WordCamp videos are GPL as well, since
>>> anyone working with WP code during presentation strays into the gray areas.
>>> By saying it's all GPL, we avoid that.
>> Sure, that makes sense for content containing code, especially when the parts
>> cannot be really separated like video.
>> In terms of Wiki's, documents etc. GPL tends not to work as well GFDL
>> http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#GPLOtherThanSoftware and
>> http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#WhyNotGPLForManuals
>> Mike
>> -- 
>> Mike Little
>> http://zed1.com/
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