Great input, however, Learn WordPress has its short and cute presentations geared towards their audience and the goals of the Codex is not to emulate but to expand, go into more detail that helps people understand more on how things work rather than just the basic button pushing. The WordPress Lessons section is where the short and concise information goes in the Codex. <br>
<br>The Quick Start Guide was probably not a good one to start with as that document was marked for editing, expansion, or removal and has been on my removal list for a long time. In fact, I thought I had. I'll take another look at that. Thanks for pointing it out. <br>
<br>You make some very good points. Could you please select one to start with and write it up according to the guidelines in your username space and let's talk about it. <br><br>Thanks,<br><br>Lorelle<br><br><br>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 1:46 AM, m3shrom <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:m3shrom@riseup.net">m3shrom@riseup.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class="im">On 30/03/12 18:16, Lorelle on WordPress wrote:<br>
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I've finally had time to go through the site's information. I found errors and I know it's still in development. I don't see anything that isn't already covered in the WordPress Codex and Learn WordPress, and the inline help files. Did you have a specific article in mind that you thought might port over to the Codex?<br>
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>From the first posts in this thread, what I understand is the gap in the code is one place where you can send new WordPress users to use their new WordPress site. Essentially, something as user friendly as Learn WordPress (<a href="https://learn.wordpress.com/" target="_blank">https://learn.wordpress.com/</a>) but targeted at people using self-hosted blogs.<br>
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So all the information is already on the codex but as I see it the challenge is to;<br>
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* cut this information down to say something about the same length as Learn WordPress<br>
* add screenshots to make it more user friendly<br>
* create a linear format that new user can work through<br>
* self contained, so that it can be used as a base for other guides<br>
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The closest page I could come to that was this one.<br>
<a href="http://codex.wordpress.org/WordPress_Quick_Start_Guide" target="_blank">http://codex.wordpress.org/<u></u>WordPress_Quick_Start_Guide</a><br>
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It's linear and not too long. Generally with this kind of guide I think the tricky part is deciding what to leave out.<br>
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Although it's sometimes out of date, I think that the above quick start page is super useful and a good base to work from. It also comes up second on a search for 'wordpress guide' so it might be a good priority to update. In a spirit of helpfulness, I'll compare it to the Learn WordPress and some specific articles that we created on floss manuals. Both resources have text and maybe even more usefully screenshots which can be ported across. I'll post links and then make some comments.<br>
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A couple of general observations I think generally it is probably a bad idea to link to external videos (especially pay for view ones) and external guides as they go out of date pretty quickly. Also, for me, references to altering css and template files don't have a place in a beginners guide apart from maybe in a section on taking your knowledge further.<br>
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** Installing, configuring and logging in<br>
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<a href="https://learn.wordpress.com/get-started/" target="_blank">https://learn.wordpress.com/<u></u>get-started/</a><br>
<a href="http://codex.wordpress.org/WordPress_Quick_Start_Guide#Get_Set_Up" target="_blank">http://codex.wordpress.org/<u></u>WordPress_Quick_Start_Guide#<u></u>Get_Set_Up</a><br>
<a href="http://en.flossmanuals.net/wordpress/installling-on-a-server" target="_blank">http://en.flossmanuals.net/<u></u>wordpress/installling-on-a-<u></u>server</a><br>
<a href="http://en.flossmanuals.net/wordpress/logging-in" target="_blank">http://en.flossmanuals.net/<u></u>wordpress/logging-in</a><br>
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So the first observation is that Learn WordPress is much easier. There's not much we can do about that. Both the codex and flossmanuals ones seem out of date and could do with a rewrite and links updated. It does seem to make sense to link to the 5 minute install and detailed instructions at the Installing WordPress codex article here rather than to go into too much detail.<br>
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The quick start guide has some material in this section that I would probably move to a later section, this includes info on importing and site settings like permalinks, and comment settings. The LWP (Learn WordPress) quickly moves on to an overview the dashboard. I think is a good idea.<br>
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It would be good to have a quick guide with screen shots on how to log in to your blog.<br>
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**Intro to Dashboard / General Settings<br>
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<a href="http://codex.wordpress.org/WordPress_Quick_Start_Guide#Explore_Your_New_WordPress_Blog" target="_blank">http://codex.wordpress.org/<u></u>WordPress_Quick_Start_Guide#<u></u>Explore_Your_New_WordPress_<u></u>Blog</a><br>
<a href="https://learn.wordpress.com/get-acquainted/" target="_blank">https://learn.wordpress.com/<u></u>get-acquainted/</a><br>
<a href="http://en.flossmanuals.net/wordpress/introduction-to-the-dashboard/" target="_blank">http://en.flossmanuals.net/<u></u>wordpress/introduction-to-the-<u></u>dashboard/</a><br>
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LWP and the FM (floss manuals) have short intro to the dashboard and general settings with some screen shots. We could just port some of this across and remove the out of date content.<br>
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The entry on admin panel in codex is too detailed and non-linear <a href="http://codex.wordpress.org/Administration_Panels" target="_blank">http://codex.wordpress.org/<u></u>Administration_Panels</a><br>
The codex entry on the dashboard didn't seem focused on the priorities of the new user - <a href="http://codex.wordpress.org/Dashboard_Screen" target="_blank">http://codex.wordpress.org/<u></u>Dashboard_Screen</a><br>
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** Get Focused<br>
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<a href="https://learn.wordpress.com/get-focused/" target="_blank">https://learn.wordpress.com/<u></u>get-focused/</a><br>
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The FM guide and quick guide don't contain anything on content but that might be a nice thing to do as it breaks up the techiness of the guide.<br>
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** Create Content<br>
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<a href="http://codex.wordpress.org/WordPress_Quick_Start_Guide#Create_Content" target="_blank">http://codex.wordpress.org/<u></u>WordPress_Quick_Start_Guide#<u></u>Create_Content</a><br>
<a href="https://learn.wordpress.com/get-published/" target="_blank">https://learn.wordpress.com/<u></u>get-published/</a><br>
<a href="https://learn.wordpress.com/get-flashy/" target="_blank">https://learn.wordpress.com/<u></u>get-flashy/</a><br>
<a href="http://en.flossmanuals.net/wordpress/add-a-post" target="_blank">http://en.flossmanuals.net/<u></u>wordpress/add-a-post</a><br>
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For all of these guides there are sub entries for the different types of entries, posts, pages, adding images, using wysiwig, adding links, tags, categories etc,<br>
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The LWP guide is really pretty short and links out to additional content for more complicated steps like creating custom menus and adding image galleries.<br>
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The FM guide breaks up different functions like adding images, videos, image galleries into separate sections and gives step by step instructions with screenshots.<br>
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The quick guide has some of these sections but could do with some screenshots.<br>
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I think that ideally these section would be a self contained, visual summary which gives a step by step example of how to do the most simple application of a feature but which doesn't aim at completeness, linking out to more comprehensive information. I've tried to do that here. Some may find the simplification offensive (sorry!).<br>
<a href="http://en.flossmanuals.net/wordpress/using-categories-and-tags/" target="_blank">http://en.flossmanuals.net/<u></u>wordpress/using-categories-<u></u>and-tags/</a><br>
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There are loads of screenshots which can be ported from FM to codex for these sections.<br>
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Also missing in the codex is a quick into to adding user and roles - there is one in FM<br>
<a href="http://en.flossmanuals.net/wordpress/user-roles" target="_blank">http://en.flossmanuals.net/<u></u>wordpress/user-roles</a><br>
which is a summary of this codex page - <a href="http://codex.wordpress.org/Roles_and_Capabilities" target="_blank">http://codex.wordpress.org/<u></u>Roles_and_Capabilities</a><br>
with a step by step guide with screenshots on how to add users.<br>
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** Style your site<br>
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<a href="http://codex.wordpress.org/WordPress_Quick_Start_Guide#Style_Your_Site" target="_blank">http://codex.wordpress.org/<u></u>WordPress_Quick_Start_Guide#<u></u>Style_Your_Site</a><br>
<a href="https://learn.wordpress.com/get-customized/" target="_blank">https://learn.wordpress.com/<u></u>get-customized/</a><br>
<a href="http://en.flossmanuals.net/wordpress/themes" target="_blank">http://en.flossmanuals.net/<u></u>wordpress/themes</a> and see other chapters in the Design section<br>
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All three guides have got some good sections on themes and widgets. There is some very user friendly text in LWP which could add something<br>
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I also really like the idea of including something about using wordpress to create a website.<br>
LWP links to this. <a href="http://en.support.wordpress.com/using-wordpress-to-create-a-website/" target="_blank">http://en.support.wordpress.<u></u>com/using-wordpress-to-create-<u></u>a-website/</a><br>
FM has this quick guide - <a href="http://en.flossmanuals.net/wordpress/making-a-website-instead-of-a-blog/" target="_blank">http://en.flossmanuals.net/<u></u>wordpress/making-a-website-<u></u>instead-of-a-blog/</a><br>
and this page on menus which I think is very valuable in this situation.<br>
<a href="http://en.flossmanuals.net/wordpress/using-menus/" target="_blank">http://en.flossmanuals.net/<u></u>wordpress/using-menus/</a><br>
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I think that the above menu page would be a good replacement for this section<br>
<a href="http://codex.wordpress.org/WordPress_Quick_Start_Guide#Configure_How_Your_Pages_Appear" target="_blank">http://codex.wordpress.org/<u></u>WordPress_Quick_Start_Guide#<u></u>Configure_How_Your_Pages_<u></u>Appear</a><br>
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** Add More Functionality / Plugins<br>
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<a href="http://codex.wordpress.org/WordPress_Quick_Start_Guide#Add_More_Functionality" target="_blank">http://codex.wordpress.org/<u></u>WordPress_Quick_Start_Guide#<u></u>Add_More_Functionality</a><br>
<a href="http://en.flossmanuals.net/wordpress/intro-to-plugins/" target="_blank">http://en.flossmanuals.net/<u></u>wordpress/intro-to-plugins/</a><br>
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It is a big area to cover and both guides take the same tactic of describing what plugins are, covering how to install them, giving examples of a few plugins and how they work.<br>
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This is a useful page to link to<br>
<a href="http://codex.wordpress.org/Managing_Plugins" target="_blank">http://codex.wordpress.org/<u></u>Managing_Plugins</a><br>
It describes installing plugins with the built installer (with manual installation as a fall back) which seems like a more user friendly process than via ftp which is recommended in the current guide.<br>
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** Building readers<br>
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<a href="https://learn.wordpress.com/get-connected/" target="_blank">https://learn.wordpress.com/<u></u>get-connected/</a><br>
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It might be nice to mirror this section in LWP but rewritten with some suggested tools like cross posting to twitter or a 'follow me' plugin.<br>
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** Understand the Code More / Advanced Admin<br>
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<a href="http://codex.wordpress.org/WordPress_Quick_Start_Guide#Understand_the_Code_More" target="_blank">http://codex.wordpress.org/<u></u>WordPress_Quick_Start_Guide#<u></u>Understand_the_Code_More</a><br>
<a href="http://en.flossmanuals.net/wordpress/security/" target="_blank">http://en.flossmanuals.net/<u></u>wordpress/security/</a><br>
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Both FM and the quick guide have sections about taking it beyond the basics, analytics, upgrading, securing your installation. I guess the key here is to keep it brief and link to good beginner friendly pages on the codex.<br>
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I think the approach on the quick guide is good in terms of scope, modifying themes and understanding the loop. However, I think they need to lead the user by the hand a lot more and give some practical examples before sending new users off deep into the heart of the codex. I know Martin who has been working on the FM guide is up for doing some work in this area soon so I can keep you updated on this.<br>
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I hope that these observations and suggestions are taken in the spirit of collaboration in which they are intended. I am very happy that there is going to be an updated guide.<br>
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I only have sporadic access to good Internet and so I tend to sprint on these kinds of projects which is not ideal sometimes, as all the suggestions come at once. I am happy to take on some work transferring some / any of content to the codex if I am given some guidance on where to put it.<div class="HOEnZb">
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nice one<br>
Mick<br>
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