[wp-testers] The WYSIWYG buttons

[Dan Milward]

Andy, Sorry about that. I don't disagree with your entire opinion (and i 
love it that you try and sneak in more and more), I just disagree with 
the asking people to add a string to the button array comment. In my 
opinion when WP added the ability to add pages and TinyMCE they through 
doing so took on the responsibility for maintaining good code and tidy 
markup.

My experience in the corporate world is that a very small percentage of 
business people (especially the older people) feel comfortable writing / 
saving stuff outside of word. Also they may be at home writing news 
stories away from an internet connection (its a real problem here in New 
Zealand - our broadband sucks). Whatever the reason is its none of my 
business. It is my business to provide the goods :))

The fact that more people use word press to write posts then pages is a 
moot point that doesn't resolve the issue. I don't think its right to 
ignore any users. I suppose all I'm saying is that it feels wrong having 
to manually add the toolbar - or that it doesn't tidy up word mess 
automatically. Damn Microsoft for putting me in this situation again.... 
okay forget everything I've said. Can it just tidy it automatically :-P

Anyway I'm just trying to help. I love what you're doing and TinyMCE has 
ultimately done a great thing for WP...

Ciao,

Dan


Andy Skelton wrote:
> On 4/2/06, Dan Milward <dan at instinct.co.nz> wrote:
>   
>> I don't agree with you Andy. I think we should add / include the button
>> to "clean word markup" as a default. It should be made as simple as
>> possible for all human beings. Not just geeks.
>>     
>
> Dan, you can't disagree with me when you don't know my opinion on the
> matter. Truth be told, I would love for all useful buttons, especially
> cleanup and the less-known "Paste From Word"  to be available in the
> default toolbar. Just ask Matt. Every time I update TinyMCE I try to
> smuggle a bigger toolbar along with it.
>
> I was able to sneak something in as an Easter Egg but that's all I'm
> saying about that.
>
> About this "typical" person you mention who prefers to write in Word.
> That person is a significant fraction of the blogging populace but not
> a major fraction and not a typefying fraction, either. The
> wordpress.com feedback sometimes, but not often, brings a note from
> this person. We encourage this person to use the editor we provide and
> now that it includes a spellchecker we see this person abandon Word
> frequently and without a complaint.
>
> Actually, since we installed the spellchecker we haven't had a single
> feedback message from anyone trying to paste from Word.
>
> Andy
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