[wp-testers] "Categories"

Tue Nov 22 19:36:33 GMT 2005

Thanks, Stuart, you've laid out, in a much more organised fashion, the same
general thing I've been saying.

On 11/22/05, Stuart <amanzimtoti at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I agree with Sean - I think that categories and tags compliment each
> other and should both be present in Wordpress 2.0
>
> Categories are perfect for structuring the heirachal navigation of a
> Wordpress site; whereas tags give you the finer control of being able
> to assign a post to many tags while at the same time keeping your
> navigation structure clean.
>
> An example of this is that you may have the following categories on your
> blog:
>
> * News
> * Technology
> * Web design
> * Development
> * Personal
>
> A post you create about the new iPod (for example) could be assigned
> to the Technology category, but you could assign several tags to the
> post too like this:
>
> * Apple
> * iPod
> * MP3
> * Audio
> * Gadgets
>
> Another example is a post you create about Angela Merkel becoming the
> new chancellor in Germany - this could be assigned to the News
> category, but you could assign several tags like this:
>
> * Politics
> * Germany
> * Government
>
> This keeps your navigation clean - you can have as many tags as you
> want without having a sidebar full of categories. I've seen some
> Wordpress sites where you have to scroll down the page to see the
> whole list of categories.
>
> The tags could also be linked with del.icio.us <http://del.icio.us> or
> Technorati tags. The
> end result is that you would have fewer categories that are specific
> to Wordpress, and many tags which could be used to link into other
> systems.
>
> Tags are a huge buzz at the moment on the net - Amazon just started
> adding tags to their products, flickr do tags, so do Technorati,
> TechCrunch reports on new tagging sites almost every day. For those in
> doubt, read the Wikipedia definition of tags - it describes the
> difference between categories and tags well:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tags
>
> The Wordpress forums are a good example too - I like the tags because
> it helps to find specific problems, but I also like to browse a
> certain forum sometimes to see what's new - each forum is basically a
> category of posts. This is a good example of how tags and categories
> can compliment each other.
>
> Phew - that was long! I think tags are an important part of today's
> internet (some call it Web 2.0) and Wordpress 2.0 needs to get this
> feature. Comments welcome.
>
> Cheers - Stuart.
>
>
>
> On 11/23/05, Aaron Brazell <aaron at technosailor.com> wrote:
> > Sean,
> >
> > I think what you want could easily be done via a plugin piggybacking on
> > built in category functionality. Email me directly if you want to chat
> > about this.
> >
> >
> > A
> >
> > On 11/22/05, Sean Hayford O'Leary <hayfordoleary at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > That's what I was saying, but the whole thing about categories having
> a
> > more tree-like taxonomy-style structure with parents leads me to want
> them
> > to both exist.
> > >
> > > Well, I'm more concerned about people coming to some agreement, it
> doesn't
> > really matter which version it goes into. I can wait :).
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 11/22/05, Aaron Brazell < aaron at technosailor.com> wrote:
> > > > I'd agree with Santanu though I think that tags and categories are
> six
> > of one or a half dozen of another. The functionality of *how* they could
> be
> > implemented on display should likely be the point of difference ( i.e.
> > category list, tag cloud). Functionally they really are the same thing
> > though.
> > > >
> > > > I also would not hold your breath on getting tags, as a concept,
> > included in 2.0. I think now that we've moved to beta, there's a feature
> > freeze. But I'm not the devs so who knows?
> > > >
> > > > Aaron
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 11/22/05, Santanu Misra <santanu.misra at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Sorry Sean,
> > > > >
> > > > > I think that will be mistake to mix categories with tags.
> > > > > They both should be part of the core but should not compliment
> each
> > other.
> > > > >
> > > > > -Regards
> > > > > Santanu
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > http://www.santm.com
> > > > >
> > > > > On 11/22/05, Sean Hayford O'Leary <hayfordoleary at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > Well, I always used to do one file per folder (hate extensions
> in
> > addresses)
> > > > > > ;).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The general consensus seems that categories should remain
> > more-or-less as is
> > > > > > and tags should be added, though seperate from categories.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And I agree that both could exist happily together. And that a
> > system of
> > > > > > both would be ideal. Still, I stand by my point: look at
> Flickr's
> > sets and
> > > > > > tags: each image can only exist in one set. Because of the
> free-form
> > nature
> > > > > > of categories, they are closer to tags.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -Sean Hayford O'Leary
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 11/22/05, Gregory Wild-Smith <greg at twilightuniverse.com >
> wrote:
> > > > > > > Only one HTML file per folder? Hardly.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It's a grouping system. You group posts by category. Tags
> allow
> > you
> > > > > > > finer control over that that doesn't require sub-categories
> (you
> > can
> > > > > > > have the same tag across totally different categories).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tags also were intended as a kind of meta information.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If people mis-apply categories or tags, that doesn't mean the
> > system is
> > > > > > > broken. They aren't mutually exclusive either, they can
> complement
> > each
> > > > > > > other perfectly.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I agree WP is making it easier to mis-apply them though. The
> > comparison
> > > > > > > to Flickr makes sense if you include their sets - the sets are
> > like
> > > > > > > categories. It is just that Flickr uses tags as a primary
> > navigation,
> > > > > > > and sets as a second. WP is the other way around. That makes
> more
> > sense
> > > > > > > for publishing, where you'll have a broad area you are writing
> > about but
> > > > > > > other smaller details that still warrant some kind of mention.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "I feel that, especially with "tag" becoming a more widely
> > > > > > > used term, WP's admin ui should refer to categories as tags."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > That would be a complete an utter mis-labeling. They are two
> > separate
> > > > > > > things.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -- Gregory Wild-Smith
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sean Hayford O'Leary wrote:
> > > > > > > > I've been toying with this thought since 1.2, but it seems
> all
> > the
> > > > > > > > more relevant with 1.6/2.0.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Categories aren't really categories anymore. Here's the
> thought:
> > Each
> > > > > > > > item fits into ONE category, just as an HTML file might fit
> into
> > ONE
> > > > > > > > folder (taxonomy).
> > > > > > > > But in WP (especially with on-the-fly category additions),
> it's
> > really
> > > > > > > > more like tags (folksonomy).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Look at Flickr's tags and look at the traditional
> directory/file
> > > > > > > > taxonomy structure. In my opinion WP's categories far better
> > resemble
> > > > > > > > tags than taxonomy.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Basic point: I feel that, especially with "tag" becoming a
> more
> > widely
> > > > > > > > used term, WP's admin ui should refer to categories as tags.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What do you guys think?
> > > > > > > >
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