[wp-testers] "Categories"

Tue Nov 22 15:03:30 GMT 2005

Sean,

I think what you want could easily be done via a plugin piggybacking on
built in category functionality. Email me directly if you want to chat about
this.

A

On 11/22/05, Sean Hayford O'Leary <hayfordoleary at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> That's what I was saying, but the whole thing about categories having a
> more tree-like taxonomy-style structure with parents leads me to want them
> to both exist.
>
> Well, I'm more concerned about people coming to some agreement, it doesn't
> really matter which version it goes into. I can wait :).
>
> On 11/22/05, Aaron Brazell < aaron at technosailor.com> wrote:
> >
> > I'd agree with Santanu though I think that tags and categories are six
> > of one or a half dozen of another. The functionality of *how* they could be
> > implemented on display should likely be the point of difference ( i.e.
> > category list, tag cloud). Functionally they really are the same thing
> > though.
> >
> > I also would not hold your breath on getting tags, as a concept,
> > included in 2.0. I think now that we've moved to beta, there's a feature
> > freeze. But I'm not the devs so who knows?
> >
> > Aaron
> >
> >  On 11/22/05, Santanu Misra <santanu.misra at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Sorry Sean,
> > >
> > > I think that will be mistake to mix categories with tags.
> > > They both should be part of the core but should not compliment each
> > > other.
> > >
> > > -Regards
> > > Santanu
> > >
> > > --
> > > http://www.santm.com
> > >
> > > On 11/22/05, Sean Hayford O'Leary <hayfordoleary at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Well, I always used to do one file per folder (hate extensions in
> > > addresses)
> > > > ;).
> > > >
> > > > The general consensus seems that categories should remain
> > > more-or-less as is
> > > > and tags should be added, though seperate from categories.
> > > >
> > > > And I agree that both could exist happily together. And that a
> > > system of
> > > > both would be ideal. Still, I stand by my point: look at Flickr's
> > > sets and
> > > > tags: each image can only exist in one set. Because of the free-form
> > > nature
> > > > of categories, they are closer to tags.
> > > >
> > > > -Sean Hayford O'Leary
> > > >
> > > > On 11/22/05, Gregory Wild-Smith <greg at twilightuniverse.com > wrote:
> > > > > Only one HTML file per folder? Hardly.
> > > > >
> > > > > It's a grouping system. You group posts by category. Tags allow
> > > you
> > > > > finer control over that that doesn't require sub-categories (you
> > > can
> > > > > have the same tag across totally different categories).
> > > > >
> > > > > Tags also were intended as a kind of meta information.
> > > > >
> > > > > If people mis-apply categories or tags, that doesn't mean the
> > > system is
> > > > > broken. They aren't mutually exclusive either, they can complement
> > > each
> > > > > other perfectly.
> > > > >
> > > > > I agree WP is making it easier to mis-apply them though. The
> > > comparison
> > > > > to Flickr makes sense if you include their sets - the sets are
> > > like
> > > > > categories. It is just that Flickr uses tags as a primary
> > > navigation,
> > > > > and sets as a second. WP is the other way around. That makes more
> > > sense
> > > > > for publishing, where you'll have a broad area you are writing
> > > about but
> > > > > other smaller details that still warrant some kind of mention.
> > > > >
> > > > > "I feel that, especially with "tag" becoming a more widely
> > > > > used term, WP's admin ui should refer to categories as tags."
> > > > >
> > > > > That would be a complete an utter mis-labeling. They are two
> > > separate
> > > > > things.
> > > > >
> > > > > -- Gregory Wild-Smith
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Sean Hayford O'Leary wrote:
> > > > > > I've been toying with this thought since 1.2, but it seems all
> > > the
> > > > > > more relevant with 1.6/2.0.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Categories aren't really categories anymore. Here's the thought:
> > > Each
> > > > > > item fits into ONE category, just as an HTML file might fit into
> > > ONE
> > > > > > folder (taxonomy).
> > > > > > But in WP (especially with on-the-fly category additions), it's
> > > really
> > > > > > more like tags (folksonomy).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Look at Flickr's tags and look at the traditional directory/file
> > >
> > > > > > taxonomy structure. In my opinion WP's categories far better
> > > resemble
> > > > > > tags than taxonomy.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Basic point: I feel that, especially with "tag" becoming a more
> > > widely
> > > > > > used term, WP's admin ui should refer to categories as tags.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What do you guys think?
> > > > > >
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