[wp-testers] "Categories"

[Sean Hayford O'Leary]

That's what I was saying, but the whole thing about categories having a more
tree-like taxonomy-style structure with parents leads me to want them to
both exist.

Well, I'm more concerned about people coming to some agreement, it doesn't
really matter which version it goes into. I can wait :).

On 11/22/05, Aaron Brazell <aaron at technosailor.com> wrote:
>
> I'd agree with Santanu though I think that tags and categories are six of
> one or a half dozen of another. The functionality of *how* they could be
> implemented on display should likely be the point of difference (i.e.
> category list, tag cloud). Functionally they really are the same thing
> though.
>
> I also would not hold your breath on getting tags, as a concept, included
> in 2.0. I think now that we've moved to beta, there's a feature freeze.
> But I'm not the devs so who knows?
>
> Aaron
>
> On 11/22/05, Santanu Misra <santanu.misra at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Sorry Sean,
> >
> > I think that will be mistake to mix categories with tags.
> > They both should be part of the core but should not compliment each
> > other.
> >
> > -Regards
> > Santanu
> >
> > --
> > http://www.santm.com
> >
> > On 11/22/05, Sean Hayford O'Leary <hayfordoleary at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Well, I always used to do one file per folder (hate extensions in
> > addresses)
> > > ;).
> > >
> > > The general consensus seems that categories should remain more-or-less
> > as is
> > > and tags should be added, though seperate from categories.
> > >
> > > And I agree that both could exist happily together. And that a system
> > of
> > > both would be ideal. Still, I stand by my point: look at Flickr's sets
> > and
> > > tags: each image can only exist in one set. Because of the free-form
> > nature
> > > of categories, they are closer to tags.
> > >
> > > -Sean Hayford O'Leary
> > >
> > > On 11/22/05, Gregory Wild-Smith <greg at twilightuniverse.com> wrote:
> > > > Only one HTML file per folder? Hardly.
> > > >
> > > > It's a grouping system. You group posts by category. Tags allow you
> > > > finer control over that that doesn't require sub-categories (you can
> > > > have the same tag across totally different categories).
> > > >
> > > > Tags also were intended as a kind of meta information.
> > > >
> > > > If people mis-apply categories or tags, that doesn't mean the system
> > is
> > > > broken. They aren't mutually exclusive either, they can complement
> > each
> > > > other perfectly.
> > > >
> > > > I agree WP is making it easier to mis-apply them though. The
> > comparison
> > > > to Flickr makes sense if you include their sets - the sets are like
> > > > categories. It is just that Flickr uses tags as a primary
> > navigation,
> > > > and sets as a second. WP is the other way around. That makes more
> > sense
> > > > for publishing, where you'll have a broad area you are writing about
> > but
> > > > other smaller details that still warrant some kind of mention.
> > > >
> > > > "I feel that, especially with "tag" becoming a more widely
> > > > used term, WP's admin ui should refer to categories as tags."
> > > >
> > > > That would be a complete an utter mis-labeling. They are two
> > separate
> > > > things.
> > > >
> > > > -- Gregory Wild-Smith
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Sean Hayford O'Leary wrote:
> > > > > I've been toying with this thought since 1.2, but it seems all the
> >
> > > > > more relevant with 1.6/2.0.
> > > > >
> > > > > Categories aren't really categories anymore. Here's the thought:
> > Each
> > > > > item fits into ONE category, just as an HTML file might fit into
> > ONE
> > > > > folder (taxonomy).
> > > > > But in WP (especially with on-the-fly category additions), it's
> > really
> > > > > more like tags (folksonomy).
> > > > >
> > > > > Look at Flickr's tags and look at the traditional directory/file
> > > > > taxonomy structure. In my opinion WP's categories far better
> > resemble
> > > > > tags than taxonomy.
> > > > >
> > > > > Basic point: I feel that, especially with "tag" becoming a more
> > widely
> > > > > used term, WP's admin ui should refer to categories as tags.
> > > > >
> > > > > What do you guys think?
> > > > >
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