[wp-testers] "Categories"

[Aaron Brazell]

I'd agree with Santanu though I think that tags and categories are six of
one or a half dozen of another. The functionality of *how* they could be
implemented on display should likely be the point of difference (i.e.
category list, tag cloud). Functionally they really are the same thing
though.

I also would not hold your breath on getting tags, as a concept, included in
2.0. I think now that we've moved to beta, there's a feature freeze. But I'm
not the devs so who knows?

Aaron

On 11/22/05, Santanu Misra <santanu.misra at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Sorry Sean,
>
> I think that will be mistake to mix categories with tags.
> They both should be part of the core but should not compliment each other.
>
> -Regards
> Santanu
>
> --
> http://www.santm.com
>
> On 11/22/05, Sean Hayford O'Leary <hayfordoleary at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Well, I always used to do one file per folder (hate extensions in
> addresses)
> > ;).
> >
> > The general consensus seems that categories should remain more-or-less
> as is
> > and tags should be added, though seperate from categories.
> >
> > And I agree that both could exist happily together. And that a system of
> > both would be ideal. Still, I stand by my point: look at Flickr's sets
> and
> > tags: each image can only exist in one set. Because of the free-form
> nature
> > of categories, they are closer to tags.
> >
> > -Sean Hayford O'Leary
> >
> > On 11/22/05, Gregory Wild-Smith <greg at twilightuniverse.com> wrote:
> > > Only one HTML file per folder? Hardly.
> > >
> > > It's a grouping system. You group posts by category. Tags allow you
> > > finer control over that that doesn't require sub-categories (you can
> > > have the same tag across totally different categories).
> > >
> > > Tags also were intended as a kind of meta information.
> > >
> > > If people mis-apply categories or tags, that doesn't mean the system
> is
> > > broken. They aren't mutually exclusive either, they can complement
> each
> > > other perfectly.
> > >
> > > I agree WP is making it easier to mis-apply them though. The
> comparison
> > > to Flickr makes sense if you include their sets - the sets are like
> > > categories. It is just that Flickr uses tags as a primary navigation,
> > > and sets as a second. WP is the other way around. That makes more
> sense
> > > for publishing, where you'll have a broad area you are writing about
> but
> > > other smaller details that still warrant some kind of mention.
> > >
> > > "I feel that, especially with "tag" becoming a more widely
> > > used term, WP's admin ui should refer to categories as tags."
> > >
> > > That would be a complete an utter mis-labeling. They are two separate
> > > things.
> > >
> > > -- Gregory Wild-Smith
> > >
> > >
> > > Sean Hayford O'Leary wrote:
> > > > I've been toying with this thought since 1.2, but it seems all the
> > > > more relevant with 1.6/2.0.
> > > >
> > > > Categories aren't really categories anymore. Here's the thought:
> Each
> > > > item fits into ONE category, just as an HTML file might fit into ONE
> > > > folder (taxonomy).
> > > > But in WP (especially with on-the-fly category additions), it's
> really
> > > > more like tags (folksonomy).
> > > >
> > > > Look at Flickr's tags and look at the traditional directory/file
> > > > taxonomy structure. In my opinion WP's categories far better
> resemble
> > > > tags than taxonomy.
> > > >
> > > > Basic point: I feel that, especially with "tag" becoming a more
> widely
> > > > used term, WP's admin ui should refer to categories as tags.
> > > >
> > > > What do you guys think?
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Sean Hayford O'Leary
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