<div dir="ltr">How are we going to decide who's a pro? What level of knowledge makes one a pro? For example, although I've been working with WordPress for over three years, I'm always learning new things and there are definitely people out there who know more than me.<br>
<br>What I'm saying is there are always going to be different levels of providers and I think that they all have the right to their place in the marketplace.<br><br>Miriam<br><br>------------------------------<br>Miriam Schwab<br>
<a href="http://WPGarage.com">WPGarage.com</a><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 1:15 AM, Dan Foley <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dan@micamedia.com">dan@micamedia.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Agreed. Only Pros should be on this list.<br>
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1. Re: Warning regarding: KANERIYA(HUTU)<br>
HITESH(<a href="mailto:kaneriya.hitesh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kaneriya.hitesh@gmail.com</a>) (Gustavo Silva Bordoni)<br>
2. Re: Warning regarding: KANERIYA(HUTU)<br>
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3. Re: Warning regarding: KANERIYA(HUTU) HITESH<br>
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4. Re: Warning regarding: KANERIYA(HUTU) HITESH<br>
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5. Fwd: Warning regarding: KANERIYA(HUTU) HITESH<br>
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6. Re: Fwd: Warning regarding: KANERIYA(HUTU) HITESH<br>
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 10:48:18 -0300<br>
From: Gustavo Silva Bordoni<<a href="http://webord.net" target="_blank">webord.net</a>@<a href="http://gmail.com" target="_blank">gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [wp-pro] Warning regarding: KANERIYA(HUTU)<br>
HITESH(<a href="mailto:kaneriya.hitesh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kaneriya.hitesh@gmail.com</a>)<br>
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Agreed.<br>
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On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 08:55, OTCListings<<a href="mailto:info@otclistings.com" target="_blank">info@otclistings.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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Interesting, you have my vote for Black List... should you remove people<br>
from this list if they are NOT WP PRO people. Definately something to take<br>
up with the list manager. I would say take a stiff approach and cut people<br>
out if they are not pro's or professional.<br>
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*From:* Bob Matsuoka<<a href="mailto:bob@mokamedianyc.com" target="_blank">bob@mokamedianyc.com</a>><br>
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*Subject:* [wp-pro] Warning regarding: KANERIYA(HUTU) HITESH(<br>
<a href="mailto:kaneriya.hitesh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kaneriya.hitesh@gmail.com</a>)<br>
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Just a heads up that I entered in an agreement with Hitesh last year to<br>
develop a custom WP plugin for me (found him on this list). After agreeing<br>
on the scope of work and price, I gave him a down payment to begin work.<br>
After several weeks of stalling, he admitted that he was unable to complete<br>
the task, and in fact never delivered a single line of code. He has<br>
admitted fault and indicated he would refund my deposit, but has not done so<br>
after over a year.<br>
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I am happy to provide an email trail if you're interested in the details<br>
for proof. Hitesh is long on reassurances and talk, very short on delivery.<br>
I would stay far away.<br>
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 19:22:27 +0530<br>
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 08:49:55 -0700<br>
From: Daniel Cameron<<a href="mailto:dan@sproutventure.com" target="_blank">dan@sproutventure.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [wp-pro] Warning regarding: KANERIYA(HUTU) HITESH<br>
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Very similar results. I set him up with a small project to see if I could<br>
outsource some of my small projects. Total FAIL!! Just copied an existing<br>
plugin and didn't do anything.<br>
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 09:56:39 -0700<br>
From: Daniel Cameron<<a href="mailto:dan@sproutventure.com" target="_blank">dan@sproutventure.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [wp-pro] Warning regarding: KANERIYA(HUTU) HITESH<br>
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I had the same idea when a thread about clients came up on this list last<br>
year. Never transpired because people talked about risk<br>
of unwarranted feedback ( on both ends ).<br>
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PS: I think this should be taken off list, maybe someone with a blog can<br>
post about it :)<br>
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 14:54:45 -0400<br>
From: MLR<<a href="mailto:mlrichard@gmail.com" target="_blank">mlrichard@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: [wp-pro] Fwd: Warning regarding: KANERIYA(HUTU) HITESH<br>
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Date: Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 2:53 PM<br>
Subject: Re: [wp-pro] Warning regarding: KANERIYA(HUTU) HITESH (<br>
<a href="mailto:kaneriya.hitesh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kaneriya.hitesh@gmail.com</a>)<br>
To: Daniel Cameron<<a href="mailto:dan@sproutventure.com" target="_blank">dan@sproutventure.com</a>><br>
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Anyone who builds such a database should first and foremost consider making<br>
it a feedback system similar to systems found in eBay or Etsy so that good<br>
comments can be shared. I have had some major fails and some wonderful wins<br>
when it comes to clients found on this forum and all things considered I<br>
would myself rather hire someone with a majority of positive feedback about<br>
similar projects rather than the unknown newbie who simply has 0 negative<br>
feedback yet. A black list system is just Yuk and negative and attracts<br>
unprofessional venting.<br>
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On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Daniel Cameron<<a href="mailto:dan@sproutventure.com" target="_blank">dan@sproutventure.com</a>>wrote:<br>
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I had the same idea when a thread about clients came up on this list last<br>
year. Never transpired because people talked about risk<br>
of unwarranted feedback ( on both ends ).<br>
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PS: I think this should be taken off list, maybe someone with a blog can<br>
post about it :)<br>
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 21:29:43 +0200<br>
From: mailapera<<a href="mailto:mailapera@gmail.com" target="_blank">mailapera@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [wp-pro] Fwd: Warning regarding: KANERIYA(HUTU) HITESH<br>
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Yes I think transparency is key. I had a lot of bad experiences here,<br>
and a couple of good ones. I have no idea why there is so much worry<br>
about bad feedback. When you do a good job people say it outright. If<br>
you are interested on positive feedback only try Flattr then ;) A<br>
balanced way of sharing feedback is foremost important, especially<br>
when you work long distance like it often happens here. Plus people<br>
have better things to do than just vent for no reason here.<br>
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On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 8:54 PM, MLR<<a href="mailto:mlrichard@gmail.com" target="_blank">mlrichard@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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Date: Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 2:53 PM<br>
Subject: Re: [wp-pro] Warning regarding: KANERIYA(HUTU) HITESH<br>
(<a href="mailto:kaneriya.hitesh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kaneriya.hitesh@gmail.com</a>)<br>
To: Daniel Cameron<<a href="mailto:dan@sproutventure.com" target="_blank">dan@sproutventure.com</a>><br>
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Anyone who builds such a database should first and foremost consider making<br>
it a feedback system similar to systems found in eBay or Etsy so that good<br>
comments can be shared. I have had some major fails and some wonderful wins<br>
when it comes to clients found on this forum and all things considered I<br>
would myself rather hire someone with a majority of positive feedback about<br>
similar projects rather than the unknown newbie who simply has 0 negative<br>
feedback yet. A black list system is just Yuk and negative and attracts<br>
unprofessional venting.<br>
<br>
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Daniel Cameron<<a href="mailto:dan@sproutventure.com" target="_blank">dan@sproutventure.com</a>><br>
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I had the same idea when a thread about clients came up on this list last<br>
year. Never transpired because people talked about risk<br>
of?unwarranted?feedback ( on both ends ).<br>
PS: I think this should be taken off list, maybe someone with a blog can<br>
post about it :)<br>
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