[wp-pro] Re: WordPRess Coder Needed

[Bill - Bottree]

Hi folks:

I know we're off topic, but I can't help offering my 2-cents.

I must say that I've been very successful with the work that I've done
(correction: that has been done for me) with the various members of this
list and it's usually because I've trusted the freelancers to give me a
number rather than me suggest how long it will take.  I've always received a
reasonable figure/estimate and when I don't, I simply walk away (even though
I try to get back to anyone that responds to my request).

On that note, for those of you who offer quotes, please don't walk away
yourselves.  This is a good and dynamic group and it has proven to be very
valuable to me.  I appreciate the efforts of all concerned.

Thanks,
Bill.




-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:wp-pro-bounces at lists.automattic.com] On Behalf Of Mike Schinkel
Sent: October 21, 2008 10:27 AM
To: wp-pro at lists.automattic.com
Subject: RE: [wp-pro] Re: WordPRess Coder Needed

>> I'm so sick and tired of people, not just on this list, but elsewhere,
dictating how long they think something should take, and then paying only
according to that abbreviated scale.

Ditto!

>> Remember, it's not the five minutes it takes me to do something that
you're paying for.  You're paying for the skill and knowledge that allows me
to do it in only 5 minutes. 

Not only are the skills required valuable there's also the time spent
getting the job and then the time spent interacting with the client to make
sure they do what the client needs. Any project is going to take at least
1/2 day if not a full day, BEST CASE just from all the overhead.

Anyway, the irony/karma is that people who solicit for jobs by saying it
should take 30-45 minutes, assuming they get anyone to respond, will likely
get someone without skills and/or that will disappear or not be able to
deliver and the client will indignantly think "They screwed me." Some things
are self-fulfilling prophecies.

Treat people like professions and be willing to pay for their actual time
and experience and you'll get good quality work. (For those who only have a
tiny budget, acknowledge the budget instead of trying to dictate the hours
and you'll get better results, but still you'll probably only get what you
pay for.)

-Mike Schinkel 
http://mikeschinkel.com/custom-wordpress-plugins/
	

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:wp-pro-bounces at lists.automattic.com] On Behalf Of Joni Mueller
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 8:34 AM
To: wp-pro at lists.automattic.com
Subject: [wp-pro] Re: WordPRess Coder Needed

>Message: 1
>Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 05:28:08 +0800
>From: "Saad Kamal" <kamal.saad at gmail.com>
>Subject: [wp-pro] Wordpress Coder Needed
>To: wp-pro at lists.automattic.com

[snipped]
>Some Basic Task includes:
>1. Add an extra left hand sidebar in a two column theme.
>2. Do Minor Modifications in the Category Loops 3. Play with CSS (so 
>that certain things appear nicely) 4. Install & configure some new WP 
>plugins
[snipped]
>I'm only looking for reasonable offers as the work isn't substantial 
>and probably requires roughly about 30 - 45 mins. I also want to build 
>up a long term relationship with you as I often need minor coding 
>related job done in quick time.

<rant>
I'm so sick and tired of people, not just on this list, but elsewhere,
dictating how long they think something should take, and then paying only
according to that abbreviated scale.

Remember, it's not the five minutes it takes me to do something that you're
paying for.  You're paying for the skill and knowledge that allows me to do
it in only 5 minutes.

</rant>

Joni Mueller

ICQ: #32626429
Visit me on the web at:
http://jonimueller.com
http://my.opera.com/jonimueller
http://joniverse.com
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