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<font face="Arial">Well written Milan, I totally agree with you.
This has been discussed a couple of times over the years but
nothing has really changed.<br>
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Milan Dinić skrev 2010-07-30 02:26:
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class="gmail_quote">You should subscribe to the RSS feed at <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wordpress.org/news/category/releases/"
target="_blank">http://wordpress.org/news/category/releases/</a>.<br>
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You are changing mind :) <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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:<br>
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<pre>I don't see a reason to develop a notification service other
than us manually sending an email as we are prepping everything for release.
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Problem with relying on RSS from <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wp.org/news">wp.org/news</a> is that it is very
slow process. We need faster notification via email.<br>
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solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"
class="gmail_quote">Demetris emailed this list 19 days ago, and
we haven't changed a string since. I also alerted the list to
string changes as they occurred. Your translations should be
complete; you only need to push a button now.<br>
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You first need to know how this process works:<br>
- we need to check if there is any new string since last update
and if files for direct translation were changed<br>
- we commit translations to SVN and need to wait around 10 minutes
before we can build a locale package at locale site<br>
- we need to wait xx minutes before locale version will appear on
upgrade screen even if it was hours before last check to api was
made (I just tested this again today: I didn't have notification
about update until I went to upgrade screen where I only got
option to update to en_US even though locale package was already
available on <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://locale.wp.org">locale.wp.org</a>)<br>
- if we updated to en_US while there wasn't locale package, we
will again receive notification about new version, this time with
option to upgrade to locale package<br>
<br>
So even if we have ready translations and see news about release
the same moment as it is posted, we still need xx minutes before
new locale version will appear at upgrade screen. And what if we
don't release a locale package for several hours or day(s) because
we were offline, unaware that new version will be released? Users
will update to en_US, some strings will be untranslated (depending
if it is version from new branch and how many changes there are in
new version), and when new locale version is release they'll again
get notification about update and they'll ask "WTF!? I already
updated to this version!" <br>
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We need a different process related to releases. Translators
should be warned when new version will be released, not just
because they need to update translations, but because they need to
be ready to "push a button" (if it was that simple). I could
understand if there was need for unplanned release because of
discovery of huge security issue that needs to be fixed as soon as
possible, but those releases are not that often and you don't have
a reason to not inform us in advance.<br>
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You must be aware that this process is not friendly for
translators and for users of locale versions. You must be aware
that there are users who use locale version (check for stats for
exact percent) and you can't ignore that fact in release process.
If you really want to fully support i18n and l10n in automatic
upgrades and notification about upgrades, you must stop with
current practice and make strict rules with translators about
release process which should be followed by everyone.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2010/7/30 Andrew Nacin <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:wp@andrewnacin.com">wp@andrewnacin.com</a>></span><br>
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0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);
padding-left: 1ex;">
3.0.1 has been released.
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<div>I had an email drafted to polyglots, but we made a last
minute change and I got sidetracked.</div>
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<div>It hasn't been several hours; WordPress 3.0.1 proper was
released 72 minutes ago, but I digress. You should subscribe
to the RSS feed at <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wordpress.org/news/category/releases/"
target="_blank">http://wordpress.org/news/category/releases/</a>.</div>
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<div>Cheers!</div>
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<div><font color="#888888">Nacin</font>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 7:04
PM, Milan Dinić <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:liste@srpski.biz" target="_blank">liste@srpski.biz</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204,
204); padding-left: 1ex;">Again no notification in
advance (I mean at least several hours) and no
notification after release is made (so we still need
to use external notification services).<br>
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I would expect that Nacin would inform us, he was
active on this list last months.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2010/7/10 Demetris <span
dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:kikizas@gmail.com"
target="_blank">kikizas@gmail.com</a>></span>
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Hello, polyglots!<br>
<br>
This is a note that WordPress 3.0.1 is
expected to be released around mid July.<br>
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Like all maintenance releases, it will be a
very good opportunity for<br>
translation teams to push
improvements/additions/corrections/etc. in<br>
their localizations.<br>
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(I know that I try to take advantage of
maintenance releases for that<br>
purpose—fixing strings, localizing more
strings, etc.—, and I imagine<br>
other WordPress translators do the same
thing.)<br>
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Note also that 3.0.1 has a few changes in
strings (mainly to correct<br>
typos, if I remember correctly). So,
remember to update your PO files<br>
too!<br>
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Cheers,<br>
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Demetris<br>
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