[wp-hackers] Page Templates vs Category Templates
halukkaramete at gmail.com
Thu Dec 2 03:42:53 UTC 2010
>>It strikes me that perhaps the question you are really asking is: why do
Theme developers bundle various Page templates, but don't likewise bundle
various Category templates?
Yes. Thanks for hitting it on the dot.
>> There are many reasons, but the most prominent
one is probably that a publicly released Theme isn't likely to know in
advance what categories will be used by any given user.
Well, semantically speaking I do not see a difference...
Obviously page layouts do not go thru that mental challenge. After
all, all they provide layout options
SB SB C
large SB, medium SB, C
C, small SB, small SB
They obviously do not care or worry about what the end-user be doing
with those columns. So I can't really connect to your explanation of
"Theme isn't likely to know in advance what categories will be used by
any given user."
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 7:35 PM, Chip Bennett <chip at chipbennett.net> wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 9:18 PM, Haluk Karamete <halukkaramete at gmail.com>wrote:
>> I see your points. But I still do not get why have "that convenient
>> functionality" in one ( that is Add New Page UI ) but not in the other
>> ( that is Add New Category UI).
> The analogous page to "Add Page" is not "Add Category", but rather "Add
>> You are saying "The template-file functionality is exactly the same
>> for Categories; the difference is only in the UI." I'm asking Why the
>> UIs are different...
> I tried to give one explanation, dealing with the differences between Posts
> and Pages. They behave differently because *they are different*.
>> You may ask who cares... new comers may. me for sure. I'm sure most
>> users go thru this kind of cycle.
>> step 1: install WP
>> step 2: create a post ( which goes automatically into "uncategorized ")
>> step 3: create a category
>> step 4: create a few more and then get a sense of how this thing really
>> and then soon after discover the wonderful world of themes... which
>> show cases various page layouts.. ( but no category layouts! )
>> soon you bring a few themes home, & you see, the page layouts, ( the
>> SideBar on the left, sidebar on the right stuff ) and you get to
>> choose them when you are creating pages, but the cats got no luck! As
>> a new comer, you definitely go thru this.
>> Then you look back into your categories and wonder why on earth this
>> functionality why the lack of those various page layouts options DO
>> NOT EXIST for categories even though it is EQUALLY & EASILY achievable
>> by WP. And interestingly, cats are the 1st group where you need this
>> kind of flexibility, I think more than the pages... Why should not I
>> have a no sidebar ( just content layout ) for some of my category
>> pages... but you look at the themes world, majority provide a
>> no-sidebar layout only for the pages but cats are totally left alone.
>> I think this end-result may be trickling down from the out-of-the-box
>> WP UI which exposes Page layoutsbut not the cat layouts.
> It strikes me that perhaps the question you are really asking is: why do
> Theme developers bundle various Page templates, but don't likewise bundle
> various Category templates? There are many reasons, but the most prominent
> one is probably that a publicly released Theme isn't likely to know in
> advance what categories will be used by any given user.
> One thing that *might* help will be Post Formats in 3.1. A Theme can use
> known Post Format types ("gallery", "aside", etc.), and then add Category
> templates using those same Post-Format type names - then instruct the Theme
> user to categorize the Post identically to the Post-Format type (e.g., to
> remove sidebars from "image" or "gallery" Posts).
>> I'm sure Jane must have thought about this and decided the way it is
>> now. I'm only curious to understand the wisdom behind it.
>> I amy be wrong, but it just appears to me that if the next version
>> were to expose this functionality, it would not only make it
>> convenient to the end user to select a category template from the drop
>> down but also encourage the theme designers to bundle their themes
>> with as many category layouts as the page layouts they provide.
> But how would you propose that? It would be totally unintuitive, unless you
> tied the Post-index layout template to the *Taxonomy*, rather than to
> individual *Posts*. (For example: to "expose" the UI on the Add Post page
> would require the user both to define the Category *and* to define the
> template. Further, a defined Post template would apply to the single Post
> view, but not the index (archive) view.)
> I just don't think it's as straight-forward as you're imagining, due to the
> inherent differences between Pages and Posts.
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